2020 US Election (Part One)

[Timsup2nothin]

And what about the agenda pitched from the start ?
California is more progressive
Will it have influence on the final agenda ? Will it be a more vulnerable road for a progressive agenda, or for winning at all ?

How much the agenda is affected will depend a lot on whether the CDP files to allow non-party voters to vote in the primary. If they don't and it is just registered Democrats that will produce a much more progressive slant. There is going to be a massive fight within the party over that.

 

[Lexicus]

@Lexicus

Just like it is totally out of line when people attack a defense attorney for "defending killers and rapists and horrible people" it is out of line to attack prosecutors for prosecuting. Courts work by people doing their jobs. Defense attorneys provide the best defense they can provide. Prosecutors prosecute to the best of their ability. Judges and juries decide the results.

When a prosecutor is accused of misconduct it is the job of every level of the prosecutor's office to make the best case they can that it did not occur, and the judge's job to rule on whether it did. That is exactly what happened in the situation you cited.

That's utter nonsense. If the justice system seriously treats egregious examples of prosecutorial misconduct as "prosecutors just doing their jobs" then it needs to be torn down and rebuilt.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

That's utter nonsense. If the justice system seriously treats egregious examples of prosecutorial misconduct as "prosecutors just doing their jobs" then it needs to be torn down and rebuilt.

Notice that's not what I said, nor is it what happened. The justice system includes the courts and the court made a punitive decision in the case, as was appropriate. The prosecutor's office gave a spirited defense, as was appropriate. In a justice system based on the premise that every accused is entitled to the best possible defense that is what was supposed to happen.

If your complaint was "there was this prosecutor engaging in this misconduct and when it came to light it turns out that it had been going on for years, and the attorney general knew about it and covered it up" that would be a different thing, because that makes the AG a participant in the act. If the complaint was "this was a widespread practice in the prosecutors office and the only defense the AG can mount for themselves is to claim they didn't know it was going on under their nose" that would be a different thing because it calls the question of incompetence. But "this happened and when it was caught the AG mounted a defense" is exactly what should be expected.

 

[danjuno]

I have yet to see anything more interesting than Bernie. Liz more or less got preempted by him as the most prominent populist lefty on the national stage. Most of the other "progressives" in the Senate are blatantly pivoting for a presidential run.

Governors, the usual go-to field for harvesting presidents, have come up dry in light of the pounding Dems took at the state level under Obama. I'm not terrible impressed with Inslee, and don't even get me started HE WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED.

 

[Hygro]

You don’t like Gavin?

 

[danjuno]

Cuomo.

Newsom doesn't really stand out to me.

 

[Hygro]

Cuomo.

Newsom doesn't really stand out to me.

Cuomo is running? This is starting to feel like 2004. Where’s Gephart and Sharpton!?

 

[danjuno]

Maybe accelerationism isn't so bad after all, if this is what reformism looks like.

 

[Sommerswerd]

You don’t like Gavin?

I like Gavin. I think he's a pretty sweet combination of the newness, aesthetics, demographics, and last but also least... actual policy positions to get people energized and out to the polls.

I still think he needs an opportunity to takedown Hillary though... If the Democratic nominee isn't going to slay the Hillary dragon, they'd almost need to be a celebrity in their own right, like Oprah or Tom Hanks or somebody like that.

At this point I'm actually starting to get nervous that a Republican Cinderella candidate emerges to primary Trump and actually steals the show from the Democratic field.

 

[Lexicus]

At this point I'm actually starting to get nervous that a Republican Cinderella candidate emerges to primary Trump and actually steals the show from the Democratic field.

Pls no

From what I've seen so far I'm probably going to end up throwing in with Bernie again. One of the other candidates might impress me though and we still don't know who they are. Ultimately, as I've said before, I'll support whomever the Democratic nominee is, except possibly if it's Michael Bloomberg.

 

[metalhead]

I don't think they need to recycle old candidates. No Biden, no Bernie, but unfortunately we'll probably end up with both. I think there will be an awfully rude awakening when Biden realizes he is pretty far off from where the party base and activists are on the issues, so that might take care of itself.

I'm not especially inspired by any of the choices out there right now, sadly. Jeff Merkley seems pretty good, but I doubt he'll get much traction. I like Sherrod Brown but I fear he is probably far from where I am on a lot of the issues.

Cory Booker just comes across as phony to me, he seems like he is trying to hide a deep streak of pro-privatization of the type that is destroying our institutions. Kamala Harris has a reputation in CA for being a ruthless power-grabber, the type of public servant who looks out for her own ambition first and the public second.

I need to see more of Beto. He speaks thoughtfully on social issues but I don't know how much substance is there. I like Amy Klobuchar too, she seems like a genuine, decent person but I don't know much about her either and suspect I also wouldn't like her stances on issues either.

 

[Lexicus]

Well I'm not exactly excited to be throwing in with Bernie again, but he wins by default. That could change if another candidate impresses me somehow.

 

[Kyriakos]

Lol, so you are going to vote for hillary again?
I suppose you will also do it in 2024 (or 2028), after which she will hopefully gtfo and stop trying to be potus.

 

[Gori the Grey]

Lol, so you are going to vote for hillary again?
I suppose you will also do it in 2014, after which she will hopefully gtfo and stop trying to be potus.

I for one will not be voting for Hillary in 2014!

 

[Lexicus]

Lol, so you are going to vote for hillary again?

Who are you talking to?

 

[Gori the Grey]

Gavin Newsom has got to start upping his profile if he wants to make a bid. I watch a ton of political TV and I can't picture the guy.

 

[Kyriakos]

@Lexicus :
Sommer
Posting from mobile; quotes often dont show.

 

[Farm Boy]

At this point I'm actually starting to get nervous that a Republican Cinderella candidate emerges to primary Trump and actually steals the show from the Democratic field.

I'm guessing we're still a little early for the Susana Martinez's of the world. But if we make it to old and grey, they'll have been around for a while.

 

[Lexicus]

@Lexicus :
Sommer
Posting from mobile; quotes often dont show.

How could he make it clearer that he wants Hillary to run and lose in the primary?

 

[Kyriakos]

How could he make it clearer that he wants Hillary to run and lose in the primary?

Ehm, i am not the problem, m8. Relax.