2020 US Election (Part Two)

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What I'm saying is old people as a demographic are red. The blue boomers will be defeated by red boomers.
 
cardgame said:
What I'm saying is old people as a demographic are red. The blue boomers will be defeated by red boomers.
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There's gonna be a few less boomers come November.

And Trump's gonna be the fall guy.
 
cardgame said:
Trump will never be the fall guy
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Given his platform, his few practical achievements, his often touted history as a great businessman, etc., a bad economy going into November is like the one thing he could very well fall on to a big chunk of his own support base, and the one possible chink in his Teflon amour. And a bad economy is happening, and exacerbating, rapidly around us, now!
 
cardgame said:
Trump will never be the fall guy
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Not in the Trumpists' view at least. I think @Zardnaar just can't grasp how deeply misinformed those people are keeping themselves. My sister lives in a little boondock town that is Republican top to bottom. She called me up yesterday to see if I would meet her at Costco tomorrow to help her load up her usual Costco run and have lunch. I told her that when someone said "in the absence of adequate testing act as if you are infected; what would you do?" and the first thing I would NOT do is infect my sister, who is in the high mortality rate age bracket. She genuinely had no idea that this was anything other than "the latest flu, blown out of proportion by the Democrats." I consider it a pinnacle of persuasion that I talked her out of this. And my sister is an extremely well educated individual.
 
Patine said:
Given his platform, his few practical achievements, his often touted history as a great businessman, etc., a bad economy going into November is like the one thing he could very well fall on to a big chunk of his own support base, and the one possible chink in his Teflon amour. And a bad economy is happening, and exacerbating, rapidly around us, now!
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That and his handling of the outbreak.

One thing that gets one term presidents is the economy. Carter, Bush I.
 
Patine said:
Given his platform, his few practical achievements, his often touted history as a great businessman, etc., a bad economy going into November is like the one thing he could very well fall on to a big chunk of his own support base, and the one possible chink in his Teflon amour. And a bad economy is happening, and exacerbating, rapidly around us, now!
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Ask the GOP propaganda arms...the Democrats are fear mongering the virus to destroy the economy so they can blame Trump. His faithful will not be blinking, bank on it.
 
Zardnaar said:
Red scare was very real in the 20s.

With what the Soviets were up to it makes sense. Enough Russians managed to flee at the end of the civil war they knew enough.

They killed more people than all the previous Czars put together. And still failed to provide for the people.

In Germany they had communist uprising 1919 iirc.
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Mussolini very much played on the Red Scare. His thugs concentrated their attacks on socialists and mostly left the Communists alone since he wanted them to seem more of a threat than they really were. He was also helped by rivalries between the leading liberal and conservative politicians. Like with Hitler they underestimated him and thought they could use him.
 
AmazonQueen said:
Mussolini very much played on the Red Scare. His thugs concentrated their attacks on socialists and mostly left the Communists alone since he wanted them to seem more of a threat than they really were. He was also helped by rivalries between the leading liberal and conservative politicians. Like with Hitler they underestimated him and thought they could use him.
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Totally but the reds weren't nice in that era. Fascism rose because if it.
 
Zardnaar said:
Totally but the reds weren't nice in that era. Fascism rose because if it.
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I've never agreed with you that the "threat of Communism," was the sole, or deciding factor, of the rise of Fascism. There were quite a few different factors at work, ultimately. History is one my fortes.
 
Ohio has recorded 78,000 applications for unemployment from Sunday to Tuesday of this week. Last week there was only 6,500 applications for the whole week.

Trump's presidency is dead.

They shouldn't be handing out checks for a thousand dollars, they should be forcing employers to continue paying everyone for the next month with federal loans as needed. Buy time to sort out the mess but also ensure the monied class doesn't get to cut their losses and walk away as they usually do. And corporate bailouts need to come with serious conditions attached.
 
Patine said:
I've never agreed with you that the "threat of Communism," was the sole, or deciding factor, of the rise of Fascism. There were quite a few different factors at work, ultimately. History is one my fortes.
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A mere twig in the forest, presumably.
 
Patine said:
I've never agreed with you that the "threat of Communism," was the sole, or deciding factor, of the rise of Fascism. There were quite a few different factors at work, ultimately. History is one my fortes.
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There were many factors in the rise of European fascism in the same way there were many factors in the start of the Civil War.
True, but everybody with an ounce of intellectual honesty knows what The Big Factor was.
 
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