2020 US Election (Part Two)

[Takhisis]

The King appointment Mussolini, he didn't exactly seize power.

The King also removed him. (…)

The king appointed Mussolini to prevent bloodshed.

Also, the king removed Mussolini only when Mussolini no longer had the power to force him to let him stay in office.

 

[Zardnaar]

So here's you:



Just so happening to openly remark about how SRS will now be non-existant and the hormones i rely on will be limited, as if i didn't ****ing know, just expressing your complete ignorance in an attempt to score points by being a ghoul, sinking lower than i could ever hope to.



Making a point of reminding me of how precarious my social and economic situation already is.

It's ghoulish and you clearly take relish or some sort of perverse delight in it, I'm posting here because im interested in confronting you with what you are.

@Zardnaar, I hope you and yours don't rely on any drugs to prolong your life, things might not go so well for you or them if that supply were to dwindle just as it might not for me or other transpeople, although I'm sure you wouldn't be so delusional to claim it'd be mere inconveniance, but i wouldn't actually wish that on you, you see that's the difference between me and you @Zardnaar so go on continue with the lie that you're somehow in anyway cleaner or above me, if that's what helps you continue.

I'm already on medication. Already accepted that fact and I may not have access to it long term. Also going to be unemployed for the forseeable future. I've been on a special diet since January, that may no longer be an option soon.

**** happens.

I should have been clearer in my OP, Tim's comment about most people haven't figured it out yet pages ago.

I suspect neo liberal economics just died along with far left liberalism. See how it plays out long term.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

I'm already on medication. Already accepted that fact and I may not have access to it long term. Also going to be unemployed for the forseeable future. I've been on a special diet since January, that may no longer be an option soon.

And what would you say if i decided to make light of your potential future suffering from a lack of medication? As a point to attack you on? What sort of person would that make me, because you've done that, not me.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I should have been clearer in my OP, Tim's comment about most people haven't figured it out yet pages ago.

How do I fit in here exactly?

 

[Zardnaar]

And what would you say if i decided to make light of your potential future suffering from a lack of medication? As a point to attack you on? What sort of person would that make me, because you've done that, not me.

Knock yourself out, you already insult me every other day what's a few more.

Note I don't use the report function. Don't bark/snitch and harden up buttercup.

I don't worry to much overstuff I can't control. Pointless and drives you mad. Stuff that.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

You could do with some empathy, don't sacrifice your humanity on the altar of capitalism my "friend".

 

[Zardnaar]

You could do with some empathy, don't sacrifice your humanity on the altar of capitalism my "friend".

I'm a lot more empathetic towards people IRL and to people online who don't imply I'm a fascist every other day.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

My "friend", I don't think your a fascist, I just think you sometimes make excuses for them.

 

[AmazonQueen]

Mussolini took power in a straight-out coup d'etat.

Not really a coup.
The army had already reoccupied the buildings the Fascists had seized and blocked roads and railways so that no march on Rome could succeed.
It was Victor Emanuele who invited Mussolini to become Prime Minister. The army was given orders to let the Fascists pass and the March on Rome took place after Mussolini was offered the post of Prime Minister.

 

[Zardnaar]

My "friend", I don't think your a fascist, I just think you sometimes make excuses for them.

More from realist. Defeating them involves improving everyone's lives, defeating them at the ballot box and not pissing off allies.

It's not so much the goals but the how you get there. No point aiming for the moon if you can't build or fuel the rocket.

Not gonna complain about not landing in the moon. I'ma gonna start building the rocket.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

More from realist. Defeating them involves improving everyone's lives, defeating them at the ballot box and not pissing off allies.

It's not so much the goals but the how you get there. No point aiming for the moon if you can't build or fuel the rocket.

Not gonna complain about not landing in the moon. I'ma gonna start building the rocket.

How do you defeat fascists when some of your allies deny they're even a problem or actively downplay their danger?

 

[Zardnaar]

How do you defeat fascists when some of your allies deny they're even a problem or actively downplay their danger?

Focus in what you're doing not them. They're gonna exist regardless. Be realistic what you can do, don't get upset if you don't get what you want.

I don't think the US will get a progressive president until 2028 or 32.

Shirt term you need to flip those purple states and make some purple states blue.

Trump seems to be accelerating that process.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Focus in what you're doing not them. They're gonna exist regardless. Be realistic what you can do, don't get upset if you don't get what you want.

I don't think the US will get a progressive president until 2028 or 32.

Shirt term you need to flip those purple states and make some purple states blue.

Trump seems to be accelerating that process.

Okay.

Are we cool?

 

[Zardnaar]

Okay.

Are we cool?

Should be I've got very thick skin and don't take things online personally.

 

[innonimatu]

Mussolinian fascist bands had taken over the practical power by harsh intimidations.
What happened thereafter was just the formalisation by the ruling class (King, corporate, landowners, etc). They believed that they could massage Mussolini into some moderate common sense once he was in power. Nothing of that happened.

Mussolini's band of thugs could have been repressed by the italian army, the king and the traditional italian elites still controlled it. If they wanted to. Which they didn't, because his programme was more appealing to them that the "red scare".

 

[Zardnaar]

Mussolini's band of thugs could have been repressed by the italian army, the king and the traditional italian elites still controlled it. If they wanted to. Which they didn't, because his programme was more appealing to them that the "red scare".

Red scare was very real in the 20s.

With what the Soviets were up to it makes sense. Enough Russians managed to flee at the end of the civil war they knew enough.

They killed more people than all the previous Czars put together. And still failed to provide for the people.

In Germany they had communist uprising 1919 iirc.

 

[Arakhor]

Moderator Action: The last two or three pages have been almost entirely composed of bickering. Unless you want a tonne of bricks to come down on this thread (and its wayward participants), I would highly recommend that people get back to discussing the topic and not each other.

 

[Hrothbern]

Mussolini's band of thugs could have been repressed by the italian army, the king and the traditional italian elites still controlled it. If they wanted to. Which they didn't, because his programme was more appealing to them that the "red scare".

agree
I think also the landlords et al had grown a monster, more than they intended, but still in their eyes better than the red alternative.

 

[cardgame]

Here is an example. My mother is a Trump supporter. She voted for Trump in 2016. I jokingly said that Trump called coronavirus a hoax, and she said she agrees with him. You know what she does for a living? A nurse. And she will happily vote for him in November. And if Trump does the right thing and comes on top of this coronavirus crisis victorious, who do you think people will for?

I know quite a few Trump supporters, and none of them faltered in their support of Trump. Just saying. But coastal liberals in their bubbles can continue believing in Biden, I guess? But I also live on the coast, and like 80% of tech workers supported Bernard. So idk even who votes for Biden.

Old people vote for Biden

Biden discourages the youth vote

democrats lose old people to republicans and youth don't turn out for the candidate who promises them nothing but a middle finger = huge loss in November

It's like running a candidate who only wins among old white christian southerners as a democrat in the general election when 100% of that demographic (for FPTP purposes) is going to vote red

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Registered Democrats aren't going to vote for Trump in November no matter how old they are.