2020 US Election (Part Two)

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Holy ****...I thought that the folks accusing the Trump campaign of using "Make America Great Again... again" as a slogan was a joke:eek:, or as something essentially ironically implied. It sounded like something right up Stephen Colbert's alley... like something people mocking the Trump campaign would say to highlight the irony of an incumbent knee deep in crisis trying to convince voters that he was the one to fix the crisis... he caused.

But no. I was wrong. I watched the Mike Pence RNC speech... and Mike Pence actually and literally concludes his remarks, quote "Let's make America great again... again."

They really think that they can literally say any dogsqueeze they want and that Americans still won't vote for Biden to get them out... and hilariously (and simultaneously, sadly) they're right.
 
bah , happened in New Turkey in 2019 . Some kid shouted at lmamoğlu as he was touring some place that everything would be better . Or stuff . Was made into general slogan of the campaign , though you can never tell whether the kid was "taught" or whatever . So , failing to find anything to match the powerful slogan , A-K-P came up with everything would be much better ...
 
Going by youtube, I am not optimistic. I mean I knew things were ultra-polarized in the US, but it seems they are not just ultra polarized but there has formed a literally impossible to bridge gap between two zealot factions. Likely far more prominent in the republican side.
This is the sort of divide that only gets larger. While one would be right to think that after 1 comes 2, and after 2,3, sometimes after a large enough number comes a massively larger one - at which point there is no return.
 
MAGA was a good slogan. Didn't need no ideology or policy, just do it.

Is Biden still sticking with sans malarky? Diminished malarky? Anti-malarky? Wiki sez:

Restore The Soul of America
Our best days still lie ahead
This is America
We are America, second to none
Anything is possible
No Malarkey!
Build Back Better
Unite for a Better America

They all stink.

Re-store-the-soul-of-A-mer-i-ca, how many syllables is that? Can't acronym it either; try saying RTSA. Rurhrthtshuh.
Our best days still lie ahead... too many words.
This is America... and?
We are America, second to none... sounds like a Dodge RAM commercial is campaigning.
Anything is possible... at ZOMBOCOM! The only limit is yourself.
No Malarkey! Maybe Biden can get prohibition repealed and then we can invest in the nation's vital industries like wax candles, phonograph cylinders, and horseshoes.
Build back better... buh buh buh. Back isn't a good word to throw in there either. What are we building back to?
Unite for a Better America... are we the American Federation of Teachers? Snoozeroo Biden.

Biden needs a snappy slogan. Hard to do with his name or his image.
 
Holy ****...I thought that the folks accusing the Trump campaign of using "Make America Great Again... again" as a slogan was a joke:eek:, or as something essentially ironically implied. It sounded like something right up Stephen Colbert's alley... like something people mocking the Trump campaign would say to highlight the irony of an incumbent knee deep in crisis trying to convince voters that he was the one to fix the crisis... he caused.

But no. I was wrong. I watched the Mike Pence RNC speech... and Mike Pence actually and literally concludes his remarks, quote "Let's make America great again... again."

They really think that they can literally say any dogsqueeze they want and that Americans still won't vote for Biden to get them out... and hilariously (and simultaneously, sadly) they're right.

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Holy ****...I thought that the folks accusing the Trump campaign of using "Make America Great Again... again" as a slogan was a joke:eek:, or as something essentially ironically implied. It sounded like something right up Stephen Colbert's alley... like something people mocking the Trump campaign would say to highlight the irony of an incumbent knee deep in crisis trying to convince voters that he was the one to fix the crisis... he caused.

But no. I was wrong. I watched the Mike Pence RNC speech... and Mike Pence actually and literally concludes his remarks, quote "Let's make America great again... again."

They really think that they can literally say any dogsqueeze they want and that Americans still won't vote for Biden to get them out... and hilariously (and simultaneously, sadly) they're right.
It is their campaign appeal. Up to the Coronavirus, Trump had made America great. (i.e. the Dow, and unemployment numbers) The Coronavirus is an interruption in that. Trump is the one to take us right back to that great economic situation just as soon as this Coronavirus thing clears up.

It's in one of his main TV ads. There it just gets conveyed by the setup line ("We had great economic numbers") and then a tiny pause in the announcer's voice before the word "again" Make America Great . . . Again.
 
It is their campaign appeal. Up to the Coronavirus, Trump had made America great. (i.e. the Dow, and unemployment numbers) The Coronavirus is an interruption in that. Trump is the one to take us right back to that great economic situation just as soon as this Coronavirus thing clears up.

It's in one of his main TV ads. There it just gets conveyed by the setup line ("We had great economic numbers") and then a tiny pause in the announcer's voice before the word "again" Make America Great . . . Again.
It's an incredibly weak campaign slogan/ad to run and won't appeal to anyone but his true believers who practically think Covid is the big hoax to begin with.
 
It's an incredibly weak campaign slogan/ad to run and won't appeal to anyone but his true believers who practically think Covid is the big hoax to begin with.

Problem is the Democrats' appeals aren't really gonna work on anyone who doesn't already dislike Trump. When both sides run weak campaigns I think the Republicans win.

Tell me more...I'm interested in reading more on this

Ugh, asking me to use the search post function? ;) I'm not even gonna try to find the post but I think it's sort of similar to that psychological trick where you can get people to like you by asking them to do you a favor, because people conclude that if they did a favor for you you must be worth doing favors for. People will believe almost anything rather than accept that they were duped or manipulated.
 
Ugh, asking me to use the search post function? ;) I'm not even gonna try to find the post but I think it's sort of similar to that psychological trick where you can get people to like you by asking them to do you a favor, because people conclude that if they did a favor for you you must be worth doing favors for. People will believe almost anything rather than accept that they were duped or manipulated.
I was actually hoping @Sommerswerd would expand on the thought.
 
I was actually hoping @Sommerswerd would expand on the thought.

Yeah, explaining stuff even though I wasn't asked is either my great weakness (according to those around me) or my great strength (according to me)
 
Lexsplainin'
 
I was actually hoping @Sommerswerd would expand on the thought.
I think this may been one of the posts that @Lexicus was referencing when he mentioned this.
I remain skeptical. I think support for Trump goes deeper than personal economics and/or suffering. Im guessing that Trump has plenty of supporters actively willing to sacrifice and suffer in order to remain loyal, maybe partly because they view his Presidency as a cause, their cause.
I don't remember any articles that I was thinking about off the top of my head, but I find that generally speaking, people are loathe to admit that they've made a mistake, especially one as catastrophic as Trump. People are also much more willing to suffer the consequences of their own poor choices than the consequences of other people's choices. Also, the Trump campaign and presidency for many folks was the Republican party finally saying out loud and normalizing alot of the things that had been previously taboo for them to say/think outside polite company.

So I think that in the case of Trump voters, even if they're suffering under the hellscape that he's released on our country, its going to be hard for them to eat that crow. Its much easier to just be in denial about it. Really, its just a human psychology thing, rather than something that's unique to Trump voters. Adding to that, is the fact that FOX News and Team Trump and FOX News are going to enable that denial bigly. They are going all-in on presenting the coronavirus crisis as a thing of the past, and the civil unrest as the Democrats fault. So I remain convinced that most Trump voters will be willing to take the pain, and/or just ignore it and/or make excuses for it, in order to remain faithful to their emotional commitment to Trump.

If I stumble across an article that makes the point better than I can, I'll post.
 
Germans mostly didn't turn against Hitler even as their cities were reduced to rubble around them and their male population consumed by his war. By that standard, what Trump has put America through barely even registers.
 
It is their campaign appeal. Up to the Coronavirus, Trump had made America great. (i.e. the Dow, and unemployment numbers) The Coronavirus is an interruption in that. Trump is the one to take us right back to that great economic situation just as soon as this Coronavirus thing clears up.

It's in one of his main TV ads. There it just gets conveyed by the setup line ("We had great economic numbers") and then a tiny pause in the announcer's voice before the word "again" Make America Great . . . Again.

I can't believe so many people actually believe, nowadays, that "greatness," of a nation is actually measured - and can be solely measured - in Dow and unemployment numbers, and just ignore all other factors. Even the Ancient Roman Empire had much higher standards - and more numerous ones - to measure it's "greatness," - even while it was in the stage of a Deep Decline of a Once Great Empire and Civilization where it was still (at the time) militarily and economically unchallengeable, whilst the cancer of it's true terminal illness and impending death of the social, cultural, and political rot churned internally. The state of historical phase of nation development it's obvious to anyone who looks the United States of America is in now. In fact, Trump may be a "exacerbating of the mortal wounds," leader, but who doesn't strike the death blow, like Julian the Apostate was in the Late Roman Empire.
 
People are understandardly very critical of Donald Trump, but what they don't
know is what would have happened if Hillary Clinton had been elected to POTUS.

One can not slide into that alternative reality and see whether sunshine and
roses pervade throughout that USA or whether brinkmanship led to WW3.

Viewed objectively building (or perhaps just mouthing about building)
a wall is less harmful than G Bush II invading Iraq on false pretences.
 
People are understandardly very critical of Donald Trump, but what they don't
know is what would have happened if Hillary Clinton had been elected to POTUS.

One can not slide into that alternative reality and see whether sunshine and
roses pervade throughout that USA or whether brinkmanship led to WW3.

Viewed objectively building (or perhaps just mouthing about building)
a wall is less harmful than G Bush II invading Iraq on false pretences.

Fairly confident she would do better vs Covid.
 
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