2020 US Election (Part Two)

[Takhisis]

People are understandardly very critical of Donald Trump, but what they don't
know is what would have happened if Hillary Clinton had been elected to POTUS.

And yet Donald Trump's entire justification for anything he does is ‘With Killary Clinton you'd have Soshalizm!’

 

[Patine]

People are understandardly very critical of Donald Trump, but what they don't
know is what would have happened if Hillary Clinton had been elected to POTUS.

One can not slide into that alternative reality and see whether sunshine and
roses pervade throughout that USA or whether brinkmanship led to WW3.

Viewed objectively building (or perhaps just mouthing about building)
a wall is less harmful than G Bush II invading Iraq on false pretences.

The 2016 U.S. Presidential Election was a prime example - a very climax in American political history and a clear display - of the continuous act of corruption, electoral malfeasance and interference, kowtowing to the plutocratic oligarchy and internal, self-serving power bloc, and high treason toward the American people and nation that are the mechanisms that control the wheels of U.S. elections - not so much deciding who WILL win, like in "Emerging Democracies," in Africa and Asia or "Party-of-Power States," like in many Post-Soviet nations, but deciding who CANNOT, at the end of the day, under any circumstances, win - which is almost as bad, and locks every election into a guaranteed win by either the Republican or Democratic Party - both of whom have long histories as unrepentant liars, crooks, murderers, servants to corporate and moneyed special interest and lobby group donors over their, keeping of seditious and malignant secrets from their own people under the label "classified for national security purposes," wagers of numerous illegal wars on false pretenses, upenders of criminal and civil justice, strategic - but rarely sincere - players of rights of various groups and religion cards for pure political gain and jockeying, and many other horrible, horrible crimes - and holding themselves completely above all criminal indictment and consequences for these things in a manner completely and utterly to a Republic - but much more Feudal or Monarchial in nature in that regard. BOTH of the parties need to be go, as do the corrupt traitors who rig Americans to keep these two criminal and treasonous cartels as the only political blocs who EVER "win" (I use the word, "win," lightly, like ZANU-PF or United Russia electoral "wins").

 

[EnglishEdward]

Fairly confident she would do better vs Covid.

I am inclined to agree, but that is an opinion not an incontrovertible fact that Trump supporters can be expected to agree with.
I suspect that most key decisions in most countries impacting the response were made in the ten years or so prior to the outbreak.

 

[Patine]

And yet Donald Trump's entire justification for anything he does is ‘With Killary Clinton you'd have Soshalizm!’

In actual, properly defined, non-hyperbolic, non-mudslinging terms, Clinton is no more of a Socialist than Trump is a Nazi. As I've been saying, these terms are ridiculously overused, and used inappropriately.

 

[Takhisis]

Wow, that's one single sentence. (post #5762)

In actual, properly defined, non-hyperbolic, non-mudslinging terms, Clinton is no more of a Socialist than Trump is a Nazi. As I've been saying, these terms are ridiculously overused, and used inappropriately.

Uhm, Donald Trump has actually expressed support for the US Nazi party and KKK and received their support in kind, as well as using explicitly anti-Jewish imagery that associates Jews and Bolshevism, including red six-pointed stars, and ‘the Jews will not replace us’ and ‘coronavirus is a Jewish conspiracy’ so I respectfully disagree.

 

[Zardnaar]

In actual, properly defined, non-hyperbolic, non-mudslinging terms, Clinton is no more of a Socialist than Trump is a Nazi. As I've been saying, these terms are ridiculously overused, and used inappropriately.

He's mocking the GoP ripping on Hilary.

 

[Patine]

Wow, that's one single sentence. (post #5762)

Uhm, Donald Trump has actually expressed support for the US Nazi party and KKK and received their support in kind, as well as using explicitly anti-Jewish imagery that associates Jews and Bolshevism, including red six-pointed stars, and ‘the Jews will not replace us’ and ‘coronavirus is a Jewish conspiracy’ so I respectfully disagree.

Anti-Jewish rhetoric just like moving the U.S. Embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem in a triumphal and highly symbolic way and having rushed his Jewish son-in-law, Jared Kushner, past what should be longer-procedure security clearance in a just a few days, eh? Frankly, Donald Trump does not seem to me, at least, as having a solid, consistent, coherent, and meaningful ideology. He flip-flops and gives mixed messages, and speaks with without thinking, and often just lies or utterly lacks any knowledge of what he speaks. His inconsistency and incompetence, and the fact the very dangerous and evil people have enviegled themselves into his Administration (until they suffer the "refer door," effect and quit or get booted, to be replaced by other evil people - and not even a gallery of evil people who are all on the same page of evil), and the fact that he doesn't really seem to give a damn about the nation (the last trait he has in common with Franklin Pierce, another of the 10 worst U.S. Presidents in history) makes him a horrid, monstrous, and ruinous President in and of itself. But saying he has a solid and consistent ideology and vision, especially one of a Fascistic nature, which is, by necessity and definition, BIG on consistency and firmness, is frankly just lacking and almost laughable - in a gallows humour sort of way. But there are many kinds of bad and horrible types of leader out there, and historically, you know, and Fascist and Communist are not the labels for such leaders available.

 

[Patine]

He's mocking the GoP ripping on Hilary.

No, incorrect. I'm mocking far more than that. I'm mocking a much greater, broader, but braindead, and all-too-common trend across the board.

 

[Takhisis]

Actually, Patine, doublethink has enabled a worrying rise of simultaneously pro-Israel + anti-Jewish leaders. Another example is Viktor Orbán who simultaneously sympathises with Israel while blaming many of Hungary's problems on Jews e.g. George Soros.

 

[Patine]

Actually, Patine, doublethink has enabled a worrying rise of simultaneously pro-Israel + anti-Jewish leaders. Another example is Viktor Orbán who simultaneously sympathises with Israel while blaming many of Hungary's problems on Jews e.g. George Soros.

Is that the only flaw you can find with my argument above?

 

[amadeus]

Black Lives Matter

Snappy enough for you?

Good for BLM, bad for Biden. All the way with LBJ, Nixon Now, good.

Don't confuse my politics, whatever they are, with good and bad marketing. A great campaign can't necessarily save a bad candidate, but a bad campaign can sink a good candidate. Can you think of Mike Dukakis without seeing him riding around in that tank?

 

[Birdjaguar]

@Zkribbler

From the NYT today

Americans in the United States aren’t the only ones worried about how they’ll vote this year.

According to the Federal Voting Assistance Program, there are 2.9 million Americans eligible to vote from abroad. But their turnout is consistently low — about 7 percent in the last presidential election in 2016, compared with 60.2 percent domestically. And because of the pandemic, overseas voters face even more obstacles than usual, including global mail disruptions, embassy closures and personal dislocation.

It’s still worth making the effort.

“Americans overseas are impacted by U.S. legislation, and they often don’t have a voice because even though we’re large in number, we are scattered,” said Kym Kettler-Paddock, communications director for Republicans Overseas. “But the more that we vote, the more people pay attention to our issues regardless of party.”

Absentee ballots have decided close races in the past, and this year will be no different, said Julia Bryan, global chairwoman of Democrats Abroad.

“People’s votes count, and we vote in consequential places,” she said. “There’s a lot of swing states that we’re sending our votes back to.”

The F.P.C.A. serves as both your ballot request and voter registration. Two websites with tools to help you fill it out and submit it are fvap.gov, which is the official U.S. government site, and VotefromAbroad.org, a nonpartisan site created by Democrats Abroad. (One advantage of VotefromAbroad.org is it allows you to capture your signature electronically and email the form directly without having to print it first, although voters in some states, including California and New York, are required to sign by hand in any case.) Both sites also have people available to answer your questions.

Cutoff dates for requesting your ballot vary by state, but are as early as Oct. 3, so don’t put this off.

Do as much online as possible.
At a time when both international and U.S. mail services are in a state of disarray, it’s best to avoid them altogether. Submitting your ballot request online is a good start, and it is allowed in almost every state.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...column&req_id=384710526&surface=home-featured
When you fill out your ballot request, be sure to choose email as the delivery option so you’ll get your ballot as quickly as possible. If you’ve already sent in your request but didn’t ask to receive your ballot by email, you can submit a new one. Every state is required by federal law to make ballots available to overseas voters electronically upon request.

But that doesn’t necessarily mean you can use email to send your ballot back. More than 20 states require most overseas voters to return their ballots by mail, including Texas and New York. Voters from these states are most likely to run into problems.

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“We really want to make sure those voters are leaning forward and can anticipate how they’re going to take action to participate in the election,” said David Beirne, director of the Federal Voting Assistance Program.

It is crucial that voters from mail-only states send in their completed ballots well before Election Day on Nov. 3. If you’re worried about using international airmail, one option is to ask your nearest U.S. Embassy or Consulate to send your ballot by diplomatic pouch. But not every embassy is offering this service, delivery could take six weeks or more, and your ballot would still need to wind its way through the U.S. postal system to your local election office. You can also use an express delivery service like FedEx or DHL, but the longer you wait, the more it will cost you.

Whichever way you choose, if you have to mail your ballot back, do it as soon as you receive it. Under federal law, election offices are required to send requested ballots to overseas voters at least 45 days before the election, which in this case is Sept. 19. Don’t want to wait that long? You can send a backup ballot now (more on that below).

The Military Postal Service Agency has its own list of recommended mailing dates, and service members can get more information from their Installation Voter Assistance Office.

Some states, including California and Florida, will accept completed ballots by fax but not email. If you don’t have access to a fax machine, the Federal Voting Assistance Program offers a free email-to-fax service.

look yours up here. (Some state election websites may block overseas users and require a VPN for access.)

Stay in touch with your local election official.
If you don’t hear from your election official for the state in which you will be voting after you’ve sent your ballot request, contact that person’s office directly to make sure it was received. The same goes for when you return your ballot (you may also be able to track your status online). And if you have questions about your individual situation — for example, if you are back in the U.S. because of the pandemic and are now unable to return to your residence abroad — your local election official is the best person to ask. (And try to be mindful that election offices are facing overwhelming challenges this year.)

You can find contact information for your state or local election office here.

Have a backup plan.
If you don’t receive your ballot by Sept. 19, contact your local election official (check your spam folder, too). In the meantime, you can fill out the Federal Write-In Absentee Ballot, which serves as a backup specifically for overseas voters, and send it by mail, fax or email according to the same rules as your official ballot. Information about the candidates and ballot measures in your area is available through Ballotpedia.

If you want to be absolutely sure your vote is counted, send the backup ballot now. Then when your official ballot arrives, send that in as well. If they both arrive before the deadline — which for most states is Election Day — the election office will count only the official ballot, so there’s no need to worry your vote will be double-counted or disqualified. And you can rest easy knowing that not even a pandemic has stopped you from having your say.

 

[Berzerker]

The House is supposedly gonna vote on the MORE Act in about a month, I think it would legalize pot at the federal level leaving it up to the states. The GOP controlled Senate will likely defeat the measure should it pass the House. The Trump campaign is worried about pot on the ballot in certain battleground states.

 

[Farm Boy]

Man, what I would give for the GOP to drop pot and the DNC to drop eugenics. Anyone with that sort of pull want some toes? A pinky? More?

 

[Berzerker]

this little piggie went to the pot market

 

[Arwon]

Yeah of course a centrist capitalist party is pro eugenics, what a scalding insightful bit of analysis.

 

[Sommerswerd]

the DNC to drop eugenics.

That's hyperbole... at best... and I only say "at best" because I respect you... but whatever... Both sides are bad amirite?

 

[Farm Boy]

No, actually. When the platform stops whistfully mirroring federal subsidies of Illinois abortion law, I'll rescind.

No resctrictions on late-term for financial or social anxiety with privacy protections and federal funding? That's functional eugenics 21st century spin.

Nice avatar, btw. 2020, would not recommend.

 

[amadeus]

Abortion is eugenics? I wouldn’t make the argument it is innately so.

 

[Sommerswerd]

No, actually. When the platform stops whistfully mirroring federal subsidies of Illinois abortion law, I'll rescind.

No resctrictions on late-term for financial or social anxiety with privacy protections and federal funding? That's functional eugenics 21st century spin.

Nice avatar, btw. 2020, would not recommend.

Recommend what? 2020 what? The man is dead. The Avatar is a scene of him in "heaven". Where is the disconnect?

Anyway... So now its "functional" eugenics? What the eff is that? A half assed backpedal? Wordsmithing? Now see its funny, cause if I did that, I'd have to listen to people accusing me of... NVM. Welcome home brother. It all comes out in the rinse... as grandma used to say... may she rest in peace.