2020 US Election (Part Two)

[Farm Boy]

How to deal with entropy. It's a challenge. I don't like it.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Depends on whether you believe its part of "the plan" or not. If yes, then there's nothing to "deal with", if no... well... then yeah... it sucks...

But then again... its also the "spice of life"... so there's that...

 

[Farm Boy]

Job had a bunch of stuff to deal with. Longer you live, more stuff to deal with. Plan or no plan.

 

[Narz]

Yes, Job is a favourite to quote by rabid Misotheists without, at all, understanding the context or meaning of the story, or that it's Old Covenant, not New Covenant.

Lol, no one's a misotheist (no one who comments negatively on that story believes it actually happened and the God who did it is worth hating, it's a comment on the blind faith & gullibility of "his" followers), and the parable speaks for itself, Yahweh is a psychopath.

 

[Patine]

Lol, no one's a misotheist (no one who comments negatively on that story believes it actually happened and the God who did it is worth hating, it's a comment on the blind faith & gullibility of "his" followers), and the parable speaks for itself, Yahweh is a psychopath.

Again, you speak from a superficial, Nietchzean, nihilistic, pretentious, vapid, Frankfurt school point of view, not understanding the story and it's meaning, but pretending to, and using that false insight to attack and pillory the faith of Christians (and not appreciating that it being Old Covenant and not New Covenant highly limits the "gotcha," value it could ever even have). Now I am done discussing Job with people who don't comprehend what it means, but think they can ignorantly weaponize it, and expect to be given the time of day in a serious discussion for doing so. I will no longer respond to such posts.

 

[Berzerker]

Between the Democrats (who can at least be moved and pushed to soften their stance on the drug war) and the gop, who still have little desire to even decriminalize weed, who out of those two options are more likely to end or help at least ameliorate the drug war?

It certainly isn't trump and the gop.

Trump and Kushner produced the 1st Step Act, a moderate rollback of Biden's drug war. Its true the Democrats have a larger faction unhappy with certain aspects of the drug war, unfortunately they're still a small minority of their own party and pot is about the only drug they'd lighten up on. But the 1st Step Act passed overwhelmingly because Trump gave both Democrats and Republicans cover. Its kinda like how it took Clinton to pass Nafta for Bush 41.

 

[Patine]

Trump and Kushner produced the 1st Step Act, a moderate rollback of Biden's drug war. Its true the Democrats have a larger faction unhappy with certain aspects of the drug war, unfortunately they're still a small minority of their own party and pot is about the only drug they'd lighten up on. But the 1st Step Act passed overwhelmingly because Trump gave both Democrats and Republicans cover. Its kinda like how it took Clinton to pass Nafta for Bush 41.

If @Cloud_Strife is expecting a lightening up on the "War on Drugs," she must've forgotten that Kamala Harris is running for VP, and almost certainly expected successor.

 

[Berzerker]

I thought Kamala came out in favor of changing pot's federal status, maybe even legalizing it at the federal level.

I dont know if she would go that far though, that would seem to be at odds with the concern of states with prohibition who want the feds involved with interstate trafficking.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Longer you live, more stuff to deal with. Plan or no plan.

Nope. Its actually a bell curve. As you get older and older you start having less and less to deal with as your kids start getting old enough to take care of themselves and more and more responsibility starts getting taken away from you as you grow more and more invalid.

If you're lucky (cursed) enough to live long enough... you revert to basically infant status where someone is spoon feeding you your meals, changing your diapers, tucking you in, driving you everywhere you need to go, and pushing you around in a stroller (wheelchair).

EDIT: And you're right... They're all the same thread... why fight it?... lets just go with it.

 

[Farm Boy]

More "Job" stuff to deal with being true. Not power and control. Sorry that was confusing. Sick more. More pain, more old injuries. More dead friends. More dead lovers. More dead family. Maybe more living family if you're fortunate too, but it's not like they're interchangeable legos.

These are bigger problems to deal with for the "truly righteous" than the "not." As you live less inside yourself and more inside others, something that seems to come with age, the loss of those pieces of yourself is a fundamental challenge of being.

 

[Sommerswerd]

I thought Kamala came out in favor of changing pot's federal status, maybe even legalizing it at the federal level.

I dont know if she would go that far though, that would seem to be at odds with the concern of states with prohibition who want the feds involved with interstate trafficking.

“Under a Biden-Harris administration, we will decriminalize the use of marijuana and automatically expunge all marijuana-use convictions, and end incarceration for drug use alone,” Harris said. “This is no time … for half-steppin’, this is no time for incrementalism. We need to deal with the system, and there needs to be significant change in the design of the system.”

https://www.teenvogue.com/story/kamala-harris-joe-biden-administration-decriminalize-marijuana

 

[Sommerswerd]

Maybe more living family if you're fortunate too, but it's not like they're interchangeable legos.

In Job they were, apparently.

But yes, longer life = more stuff to regret. Maybe that's why god invented senility...

 

[Patine]

Nope. Its actually a bell curve. As you get older and older you start having less and less to deal with as your kids start getting old enough to take care of themselves and more and more responsibility starts getting taken away from you as you grow more and more invalid.

If you're lucky (cursed) enough to live long enough... you revert to basically infant status where someone is spoon feeding you your meals, changing your diapers, tucking you in, driving you everywhere you need to go, and pushing you around in a stroller (wheelchair).

EDIT: And you're right... They're all the same thread... why fight it?... lets just go with it.

You're assuming everyone has children. My long-term girlfriend had three children (all of whom are currently young adults with very young children of their own) already before she started seeing me seriously, about 10-15 years ago, and she doesn't want anymore children. Besides, I'm 44, and she's 46 and already starting on the signs of menopause. I don't think children are in the cards for me.

 

[Farm Boy]

In Job they were, apparently.

But yes, longer life = more stuff to regret. Maybe that's why god invented senility...

People do restart sometimes when they've healed about as we hope. If faith kept the hammer swinging long enough to build take two and it is good, the faith will still not armor that family from entropy either.

 

[Sommerswerd]

You're assuming everyone has children.

No I'm not. And I was talking to @Farm Boy not you... about something that isn't even the topic of the thread.

 

[Farm Boy]

You're assuming everyone has children. My long-term girlfriend had three children (all of whom are currently young adults with very young children of their own) already before she started seeing me seriously, about 10-15 years ago, and she doesn't want anymore children. Besides, I'm 44, and she's 46 and already starting on the signs of menopause. I don't think children are in the cards for me.

Speaking of people with rough draws in life. If you've got bigger balls than me, the foster system needs fathers. There's always alternative routes, they're sometimes even worth taking.

 

[Patine]

https://www.teenvogue.com/story/kamala-harris-joe-biden-administration-decriminalize-marijuana

This is interesting wording. By the terminology, they're speaking as though the President governs by decree, like Trump speaks, and that inevitable deals, compromises, or changes to the core idea to get it passed through Congress just won't be an issue or a problem that will come up at all. Such naïve and imperious phrasing of policy, which, as I've said, Trump has already become infamous, is "interesting."

 

[Sommerswerd]

People do restart sometimes when they've healed about as we hope. If faith kept the hammer swinging long enough to build take two and it is good, the faith will still not armor that family from entropy either.

When I'm being forced by my wife to watch those sexy-vampire movies/shows... I start thinking about how much mental compartmentalization and durability it would take to live that long... to lose person after person and thing after thing and have to keep restarting your life over and over.

I don't think we as a species are ready for immortality. I think maybe we'd need to evolve into it.

 

[Berzerker]

https://www.teenvogue.com/story/kamala-harris-joe-biden-administration-decriminalize-marijuana

The problem with that is the feds dont typically bother with people for just using pot, maybe if they got caught on federal land. Maybe... So that still leaves the feds waging a war on pot ('trafficking') and that means no or little change in the nature of the black markets driving up violent crime.

edit: actually if decriminalization meant reclassifying pot on the drug schedule that would be a worthwhile plus for the Harris-Biden ticket.

This is interesting wording. By the terminology, they're speaking as though the President governs by decree, like Trump speaks, and that inevitable deals, compromises, or changes to the core idea to get it passed through Congress just won't be an issue or a problem that will come up at all. Such naïve and imperious phrasing of policy, which, as I've said, Trump has already become infamous, is "interesting."

Yeah, the language they used there masks just how little they're proposing. Pot use is effectively already decriminalized at the federal level because they wouldn't waste their time busting people.

 

[Patine]

When I'm being forced by my wife to watch those sexy-vampire movies/shows... I start thinking about how much mental compartmentalization and durability it would take to live that long... to lose person after person and thing after thing and have to keep restarting your life over and over.

I don't think we as a species are ready for immortality. I think maybe we'd need to evolve into it.

In the Star Wars movies, Yoda lives 900 years by detaching himself personally and emotionally from the Galaxy and all people in it and focusing on the Greater Oneness of the Force, thus emulating the attitude cultivated by many very senior and accomplished Buddhist monks. But I'm not sure that would be for everyone...