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It's true, least racist president since Abe!!!!
2020 US Election (Part Two)
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It's true, least racist president since Abe!!!!
I stayed up to watch had to go and reset the modem manually and since it sits by the TV I turned it on, channel surfed and stumbled into an abridged version of the debate.
At the end they were both asked what they would tell those who didn't vote for him.
Donald Trump didn't even mention the concept of people not voting for him and started going on about how he has the best numbers (citing none) for blacks and others and anyone but him will be utter chaos… again with the thing about racists being better for the blacks, it sounds like General Lee's justifications for slavery ‘our rule's the best thing these ungrateful Negroes have ever had’.
Joe Biden gave an address that was half as long and actually mentioned people who vote against him and he said he's still their president.
It sounded as if both were addressing Trump's voters.
At the end they were both asked what they would tell those who didn't vote for him.
Donald Trump didn't even mention the concept of people not voting for him and started going on about how he has the best numbers (citing none) for blacks and others and anyone but him will be utter chaos… again with the thing about racists being better for the blacks, it sounds like General Lee's justifications for slavery ‘our rule's the best thing these ungrateful Negroes have ever had’.
Joe Biden gave an address that was half as long and actually mentioned people who vote against him and he said he's still their president.
It sounded as if both were addressing Trump's voters.
She had a mute button and used it several times. Should be a permanent feature in all debates as it scared Biden into not rambling and just keeping his answers brief, and it just muted Trump... which was nice to see.
I skipped the debate and enjoyed my dinner instead. Chicken came out pretty good in the air fryer. I then took a nap and watched the debate late night when I woke up.
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But this is to be expected, coming from you so... whatevs. Did you mail in your Libertarian vote yet? 
If we're playing Civ and we're fighting a war inside your borders... that means I'm probably winning.
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Berzerker
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and Hunter did nothing wrong
No
I vote in person and I thought Biden won the 1st debate
Stop avoiding the question. Did you vote Libertarian on not? Answer.
Berzerker
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I haven't voted yet
but I will be voting for the Libertarian candidate Jo Jorgensen, I've been voting LP since Ross Perot dropped out in '92 and I discovered Andre Marrou.
but I will be voting for the Libertarian candidate Jo Jorgensen, I've been voting LP since Ross Perot dropped out in '92 and I discovered Andre Marrou.
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https://twitter.com/NumbersMuncher/status/1319488253649735680
Bidens wins the second debate, albeit more narrowly than last time.
Also, Biden's favorability ratings keep going up, even as Republicans keep attacking him.
Maybe attacking a guy for the crime of ... loving his son even if he is a screw up is a bad move.
But big difference from 2016. Clinton went from highly positive ratings as Secretary of State, to rapidly plunging ratings and ended up in the final stretch of 2016, badly disliked, only exceeded by Trump. Allowing the undecided to break for Trump. But here, the undecided voters tend to like Biden and dislike Trump.
And. The count of people who has already voted is 50 million, 40% of the 2016 electorate.
Why? You know full well that voting for the Libertarians is a waste of a vote.
Bidens wins the second debate, albeit more narrowly than last time.
Also, Biden's favorability ratings keep going up, even as Republicans keep attacking him.
Maybe attacking a guy for the crime of ... loving his son even if he is a screw up is a bad move.
But big difference from 2016. Clinton went from highly positive ratings as Secretary of State, to rapidly plunging ratings and ended up in the final stretch of 2016, badly disliked, only exceeded by Trump. Allowing the undecided to break for Trump. But here, the undecided voters tend to like Biden and dislike Trump.
And. The count of people who has already voted is 50 million, 40% of the 2016 electorate.
Why? You know full well that voting for the Libertarians is a waste of a vote.
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Verbose
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What office is he running for?
He wasn't running when Obama won either, yet somehow got paid millions to be an advisor in Ukraine.
Not that Trump is the person to speak of such things - he has hotels in countries he props up and has set most of his family in governmental positions
Tldr: if Biden is guilty once, Trump is guilty 1000 times. Problem is that the DNC can't have Biden even being guilty 1/1000 times Trump is, so Trump may also get away since this is in effect x ≤ 1000 x when only allowed value of x is zero.
xEN ∧ (¬∃xEN*) , for @r16
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amadeus
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Trump was doing well until he went into attack mode. Bad play by Trump—no matter how Biden performed at that point Trump already lost by trying to un-likeable the guy that’s not unlikeable.
The Hunter Biden story is so stupid. So many journalists and organisations passed on it, because they knew how thin and full of lies the story was. The only people running with it are total rags and opinion posts.
And the deal that Hunter was doing with Bobulinski? It was in 2017 when Joe Biden was just a private citizen and not VP. Bobulinski has also been caught in multiple lies, and is a totally untrustworthy source. And there was still no deal at all carried out.
Meanwhile, Trump has a secret Chinese bank account he is withdrawing money from, his family are selling properties well overvalue to the Saudis and other Gulf state elites, he is begging Russia to help him win the election, he is funnelling money from the US government to his private businesses, and it is now essentially a requirement for lobbyists to have a Mar A-lago membership to get access.
And the deal that Hunter was doing with Bobulinski? It was in 2017 when Joe Biden was just a private citizen and not VP. Bobulinski has also been caught in multiple lies, and is a totally untrustworthy source. And there was still no deal at all carried out.
Meanwhile, Trump has a secret Chinese bank account he is withdrawing money from, his family are selling properties well overvalue to the Saudis and other Gulf state elites, he is begging Russia to help him win the election, he is funnelling money from the US government to his private businesses, and it is now essentially a requirement for lobbyists to have a Mar A-lago membership to get access.
lmao
No you didn't. You said you thought Biden had a slight edge on style. You then clarified that if Trump had let Biden interrupt first, you'd have given Trump the edge.
Finally, you claimed that Biden did in fact interrupt first. By your own posting, this means you will have then awarded Trump the slight edge.
Not that any of this language is a definitive "Biden won the first debate". It's just a handy stance for you to claim now to try and prop up your alleged bipartisanship.
Zardnaar
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Get em Gorbles.
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Not a great comparison. Soleimani’s Quds Force was directing Hezbollah in attacks on US citizens and personnel in Iraq for three months before he was taken out. That’s much more directly severe action than crooked warmongering which you could morally hang tons of politicians throughout the world for imo.
It's pretty funny how the right wings Iranian and Soleimani justification is just 'these are bad guys'. Literally no geopolitical explanation, or justification for why we don't apply these standards to the Gulf State, head-choppers, crucifers and genociders. The people who actually made up the 9/11 forces. It was Saudis that did it, not Iranians.
If you pay the slightest attention to Middle Eastern politics, you would know that killing Soleimani at the time Trump did, was literally the worst time to choose. He had already won his great victories and pulled Syria and Iraq back from the brink. When he was killed, he was wasting his popularity and appeal, convincing the Iraqi government and Iran's allied militias to crack down on protests. Then he got killed, making him a martyr, and deflating the anti-Iranian force while strengthening the anti-American forces.
Oh and the US troops that Trump was 'protecting' by killing Soleimani. Well hundreds of them got traumatic brain injuries from the Iranian response, and Trump said he doesn't care and it was just a headache.
If you pay the slightest attention to Middle Eastern politics, you would know that killing Soleimani at the time Trump did, was literally the worst time to choose. He had already won his great victories and pulled Syria and Iraq back from the brink. When he was killed, he was wasting his popularity and appeal, convincing the Iraqi government and Iran's allied militias to crack down on protests. Then he got killed, making him a martyr, and deflating the anti-Iranian force while strengthening the anti-American forces.
Oh and the US troops that Trump was 'protecting' by killing Soleimani. Well hundreds of them got traumatic brain injuries from the Iranian response, and Trump said he doesn't care and it was just a headache.
Ding, Ding, Ding! We have a winner.
@Berzerker you're just a closet/shy Conservative trying to mask yourself behind both-sides'ing everything. Nobody is fooled. It's laughably obvious at this point. Drop the pretense and just own it.
You know it says something about the US conservative sphere, that they are constantly rebranding.
2000 - Bush style conservatism rebrands from toxic Gingrich Republican congress, with a somewhat bipartisan State Governor. 'Compassionate' moralistic conservatism.
2008-2010 - Bush and co are fully discredited, and he leaves office with approval in the low 20s. Republicans ignore Bush, concede somewhat that he was bad. Rebrand as hardline opposition to everything Obama does, and insane deficit hawks, despite spending like crazy during Bush years and some go Tea Party
2012 - Some conservatives in the aftermath of Bush, rebrand as Libertarians, Ron Paul 2012. They don't take over the party, but it becomes a useful label to hide behind for ashamed conservatives. Instead Mitt Romney wins the primary and loses the general. Also in the mix is the Paul Ryan types, who media proclaim as conservatives with ideas. Their one idea is tax cuts of course.
2014-2016 Trump takes over the Republican Party, now as a 'populist'. Very bad way to describe it, demoguague fits better. But he openly repudiates toxic Republican Paul Ryan economics, and doesn't both defending unpopular Republican missteps and trounces a Republican field. Most of the Paulite Libertarians become Trumpists.
2020-? Trump is very likely to losing with a campaign that has literally no ideas on anything, has reverted to Republican orthodoxy, and is full on cultural grievance politics. Lots of Republicans have already started visiting New Hampshire, preparing for the next primary, with candidates from all over the spectrum. My guess is a new morphing, and a new label of sorts.
2000 - Bush style conservatism rebrands from toxic Gingrich Republican congress, with a somewhat bipartisan State Governor. 'Compassionate' moralistic conservatism.
2008-2010 - Bush and co are fully discredited, and he leaves office with approval in the low 20s. Republicans ignore Bush, concede somewhat that he was bad. Rebrand as hardline opposition to everything Obama does, and insane deficit hawks, despite spending like crazy during Bush years and some go Tea Party
2012 - Some conservatives in the aftermath of Bush, rebrand as Libertarians, Ron Paul 2012. They don't take over the party, but it becomes a useful label to hide behind for ashamed conservatives. Instead Mitt Romney wins the primary and loses the general. Also in the mix is the Paul Ryan types, who media proclaim as conservatives with ideas. Their one idea is tax cuts of course.
2014-2016 Trump takes over the Republican Party, now as a 'populist'. Very bad way to describe it, demoguague fits better. But he openly repudiates toxic Republican Paul Ryan economics, and doesn't both defending unpopular Republican missteps and trounces a Republican field. Most of the Paulite Libertarians become Trumpists.
2020-? Trump is very likely to losing with a campaign that has literally no ideas on anything, has reverted to Republican orthodoxy, and is full on cultural grievance politics. Lots of Republicans have already started visiting New Hampshire, preparing for the next primary, with candidates from all over the spectrum. My guess is a new morphing, and a new label of sorts.
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I will note that "liberals" have certainly attempted rebranding as "progressives".
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