2020 US Election (Part Two)

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He said that basically if you're a Trump voter, there are lots of reasons you could give for being a Trump supporter.

If you live in a community anything like mine, you have plenty of reasons you would hide it. There's Assclownites everywhere, but for the most part if you answer them, "I just can't" they let it go. There's professional repercussions for the alternative. We're all child molesters, remember? I would very much guess the alternative is true somewhere else. It's all about what flavor of upper-middle-class assmongrel with power rules the day.
 
Well here's an interview of someone who "does it for a living" explaining why he believes in the "shy Trump voter" factor, essentially another version of the "Bradley Effect"... and how he factors it into his polling. He is predicting a Trump upset and claims that his polling is more accurate precisely because he is able to account for the "shy Trump voter".

https://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2020/...called-2016-for-trump-says-hell-win-again.cnn

Trafalgar Group is an openly partisan polling outfit, which the Economist has already removed from its model for being liars, and Nate Silver has attacked on Twitter for being crap (but hasn't removed for some inane reason). They retweet Republican talking points, and routinely hide their data. Nate Silver questioned some of their insane crosstabs, and they just withdrew the data from the net. Even okay pollsters don't do that.

And their 'methods' is 'well we don't believe that Trump is polling this low, so we just add some surge points to him in Michigan'.

Anyway, this is just my two cents. But Trump only offers 'owning the libs' and basic partisanship. The economy is bad, COVID is bad, Opioids are still bad, Farmers are dying out, rural areas are still being hollowed out, he hasn't solved any issues, Republicans literally don't offer any real economics that appeals to anybody that isn't super-rich. And most of the Super rich would objectively benefit more from the economy not being on fire.

So what does he offer? Just non stop confrontation with the 'libs'. And if you like that, then you aren't quiet.


Also if there is a group of quiet Trump supporters, why aren't they saying they back Republicans for Senate? Those people are more mask on, and don't say the surface level nasty stuff. So are more 'socially acceptable to vote for'. Yet actually they are often polling WORSE than Trump.

And of course, Trump and the Republicans are getting massively outraised by Biden and Democrats in terms of small donations. That isn't the only factor of course (Democratic primaries), but when compared alongside everything else there just isn't any evidence for quiet Trump supporters. These people are loud, and like being loud. They are also just a small minority.

@Drakle, I say it’s Congress’ fault for writing crappy law.

Come off it. They act in the interest of their partisanship. Simple as that.

Bush v Gore had nothing to do with Congress, and everything to do with securing the election for Bush. There are now 3 Bush lawyers on the court, who acted to make sure late-arriving military ballots were counted in 2000, who will now argue to throw them all out, because elections totally have to be decided on election night, despite Republican legislatures acting to prevent that, by starting counts earlier. It is naked partisanship.

Citizens United just ran right over a bunch of campaign finance law that was well constructed and had been held up, by those judges in cases just prior. Why? Because in 2008, Obama's small-donor fundraising powered him to victory, and the Conservative judges wanted to overwhelm that with dark money.

Then after Obama won in 2012, with record minority turnout, what did the judges do? They gutted the VRA which was working fine, and then allowed Republicans to do as much voter suppression as they wanted. Their justification wasn't, 'Congress did a bad job writing this bill". It was 'well clearly racism isn't really a factor in American elections anymore, so let's scrap it'. These states will totally be fair and not racist.

Saying it is congress job, is a bull answer. They knew that Republicans in the House and Senate could grind the passage of any bill 'fixing the issues' to a full halt, and so they were safe to legislate from the bench.
 
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Has anyone else picked up on how much loser talk Trump has engaged in? He just whines and sounds like a guy that's already lost and feeling sorry for himself. In 2016 he had a lot of fiery rhetoric about crooked Hillary stealing the election but he wasn't moping about how he's going to leave the country, how inconvenient it is for him to have to campaign hard, how he's never going to talk to the sad saps of Pennsylvania if they don't vote for him, etc.

If you live in a community anything like mine, you have plenty of reasons you would hide it.
Except they do not, in reality, not to pollsters at the very least.

And no one is accusing Trump supporters of being child molesters, that is actually something Trump and QAnon supporters say about Democrats/Biden voters.

Oh thank god
 
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No, they insinuate that people who match our demographics are child molesters, to our face. It's not abnormal, welcome to collar counties, you get to see everyone's gaping buttholes.

There's no trust man, there's no reason for it.
 
@Cloud_Strife, I have a million other things in my life. Appeasing your dissatisfaction? T.S.

So, boo.

The boo-ing may increase precipitously

I got boos from here to boo-town

And has anyone else picked up on how much loser talk Trump has engaged in? He just whines and sounds like a guy that's already lost and feeling sorry for himself.

Yes, and it’s this losertalk which is supposed to be unTrumpsmanlike. He’s failing at being the thing that he is innately? Boo him too.
 
There's professional repercussions for the alternative. We're all child molesters, remember? I would very much guess the alternative is true somewhere else. It's all about what flavor of upper-middle-class assmongrel with power rules the day.

Who the hell is saying this?

Also it's darkly ironic that you're complaining about this, even when the GOP/Conservatives spent decades trying to claim those in the LGBTQ are for "corrupting children", not to mention this:

Except they do not. No one is accusing Trump supporters of being child molesters, that is actually something Trump and QAnon supporters say about us.

See it's all about projection with conservatives, it's all about claiming they're the real victims even as they attack other groups.

@Cloud_Strife, I have a million other things in my life. Appeasing your dissatisfaction? T.S.

So, boo.

The boo-ing may increase precipitously

I got boos from here to boo-town

I get it, you don't care about other people or the impact of your support for policies or people that harm them I understand now, thank you for showing us all.
 
Cloud, I don't doubt your lived experience. In fact, I support you, despite your disbelief. But that's mostly ok, given your response when I tell you my parents are voting exactly the way you desire, the respect is a one way street. That's fine. Carry on. You still deserve respect if you offer none. Just a different type of it.
 
Cloud, I don't doubt your lived experience. In fact, I support you, despite your disbelief. But that's mostly ok, given your response when I tell you my parents are voting exactly the way you desire, the respect is a one way street. That's fine. Carry on. You still deserve respect if you offer none. Just a different type of it.

I didn't spend decades, attacking your community, whatever that may be, insinuating they were child corruptors or molesters, trying to kill by them by ignoring a disease affecting them or inciting violence against them, trying to ban them from entering into basic legal agreements with each other or supporting discrimination against them, but until fairly recently conservatives and the GOP have had no qualms in attacking people like me and doing all of the above to me for no reason other than their sheer animus towards people like me and you expect me to just let bygones be bygones, even as they continue to do it?

I have no respect for conservatives because they didn't give a **** about me or my community in our darkest hours and left us to rot, but not just that, they continue to advocate against us.
 
Another Trump caravan disrupted early voting in a city here in California by blocking access to the polls with their flag-decked vehicles. To those that say shy Trump voters are real I ask (again): Have you not met or seen Trump voters? Also:
D E S P E R A T I O N
Yeah, blocking one polling site in California is going to do the trick.


Gotcha gotcha
I just saw a video of a Trump caravan heading through a black neighborhood in Ft. Worth, with a police escort :confused:... How a random Trump caravan received 3 police cruiser escort is beyond me... unless the cops are just their friends/fellow Trumpers who, instead of doing their actual police jobs, are instead just using their taxpayer funded vehicles to do their pals a favor.

In any case, pedestrians descended into the streets completely blocking them from going forward and ignored police sirens and attempts to get them to allow the caravan to pass. Apparently the police weren't in the mood to open fire on the unarmed crowd this particular day, so the caravan was forced to turn around and leave, amid cheers and jeers from the crowd... which makes me even more suspicious that the police escort was an unauthorized bluff. If the officers were improperly trying to throw the weight of the Department behind the Trump trolling through the black neighborhood, and they ended up in some kid of an altercation, there's a good chance that they'd lose their jobs. Especially since the cellphone cameras were everywhere.
 
I didn't spend decades, attacking your community, whatever that may be, insinuating they were child corruptors or molesters, trying to kill by them by ignoring a disease affecting them or inciting violence against them, trying to ban them from entering into basic legal agreements with each other or supporting discrimination against them, but until fairly recently conservatives and the GOP have had no qualms in attacking people like me and doing all of the above to me for no reason other than their sheer animus towards people like me and you expect me to just let bygones be bygones, even as they continue to do it?

I didn't either. So sort your horsehocky out.
 
If you live in a community anything like mine, you have plenty of reasons you would hide it.
I did live in a community almost exactly like yours for almost a decade and I have deep family roots there. The only difference was that the collar counties were around St Louis and not Chicago. My neighbors were openly and vocally supporting Trump in 2016 and a scary number of them were even open about their racist motivation in doing so. You're bothsiding this issue based on a false premise.


How a random Trump caravan received 3 police cruiser escort is beyond me...
"Because antifa"

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Early voter turnout has reached 67% of the total vote total for 2016.
 
I didn't either. So sort your **** out.

but you do like to support and defend these people don't you and if you can't grasp why that would piss me and others like me off who've been on the other end of their "beliefs" then that's your failing, not mine
 
... the ones that took me to see Rent and explained why it matters? Those people.

No Hobbs, no you did not. But it's probably close enough for a stemmy?
 
... the ones that took me to see Rent and explained why it matters? Those people.

I'm sure it hasn't escaped your attention that the reason such a piece of media like rent exists is precisely because of the failings and bigotry towards the LGBTQ community from the GOP and conservatives, which set the grounds for the HIV/AIDS disaster depicted.
 
@Cloud_Strife - I don't get the impression that @Farm Boy is asking you to forgive or make peace with the GOP. Its seems more personal, like he's making peace between you and him, not Democrats and Republicans... my two cents.

I get it and i have no personal issue with Farm boy.

And for the record, the second the dems get in and the GOP stop being a force of great harm to this country, I'll be pushing the Dems leftwards and going against them.
 

Close enough for a stemmy. Yup. I'm not even Catholic you... fine person you.

There is no peace Sommer. They won't have it.
 
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