2020 US Election (Part Two)

[Farm Boy]

Whatever the modern incarnation of bread lines is, we're a week or two off. Wouldn't you guess?

Urban neighborhoods nobody wants to talk about and those likewise disproportionately low-income, older, rural areas too. Same boat, different *******s snapping at each other.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Do you think tax credits do that much to people who have no savings right now?

I do not. I also still would like a link.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

You were really wrong about your claims regarding means testing, so I'm going to have to ask for some links or something substantiation to back this up.

To be clear, I'm not doubting that she'd block a bill. I do doubt that she'd block a good bill without cause. I half expect whatever link you come up with to point to abortion poison pills or similar GOP nonsense that she's moving to stop.

It's more bald faced. The GOP "stimulus package" is a business tax cut that will, like they all are going to, trickle down to the working people. The GOP packed that into the relief package and are portraying "hey you can't pack that in with the relief we pushed" as "you are opposing relief that we didn't want to do but we're now claiming credit for."

 

[hobbsyoyo]

It's more bald faced. The GOP "stimulus package" is a tax cut that will, like they all are going to, trickle down to the working people. The GOP packed that into the relief package and are portraying "hey you can't pack that in with the relief we pushed" as "you are opposing relief that we didn't want to do but we're now claiming credit for."

Yeah and like the means testing stuff, it's clear he's posting with a bone to pick and leaving out crucial context.

Notice he isn't attacking the GOP for blocking paid sick leave and family medical leave in the Senate that the Dems tried to push through.

 

[adcarrymaokai]

He also cuts taxes for the rich and accelerates the concentration of real assets. The vacuum Left made room for a kleptocrat. Look south anytime over the last 50 years. I liked Bernie better too, but eh. That aint happening. The Progressives are Rich, and the censorship/propaganda is no longer about what you see, it's about what you never hear about.

The Dems have been cutting taxes for the rich and allowing corporations to go overseas. And now they don't want to give people money, even when frauds like Trump realize it's a good political move. The Dem Establishment is just too detached from reality.

All we have left is just "orange man bad" boomer cringe posting, "Russia!" screeching, and that's about it. Nobody cares about that, though.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Yeah and like the means testing stuff, it's clear he's posting with a bone to pick and leaving out crucial context.

Notice he isn't attacking the GOP for blocking paid sick leave and family medical leave in the Senate that the Dems tried to push through.

He's already openly stated he's a GOP supporter now. That happens every generation. Some pied piper "revolutionary" energizes the youth with false promises, tells them both parties are evil, then abandons them to choose. Half choose the GOP.

 

[Farm Boy]

Well, find me the party that is raising tax rates on high income corporate entities and households to spread rather than concentrate real assets and distributing direct payments and aid to citizens and residents who are distressed.

We'll watch it play out as evictions are paused. Landowners of modest margins will stress, and local government revenue is about to tank. Everything is set for a massive contraction of real owners.

 

[adcarrymaokai]

Yeah and like the means testing stuff, it's clear he's posting with a bone to pick and leaving out crucial context.

Notice he isn't attacking the GOP for blocking paid sick leave and family medical leave in the Senate that the Dems tried to push through.

Just call me a Russian bot already, why don't you.

He's already openly stated he's a GOP supporter now.

I am not a GOP supporter. Though it is enticing to vote for Trump, if only to see deranged boomers screech "orange man bad" online for another four years.

I am sorry, what matters more to me is economic policy, not sworn party fealty.

 

[Farm Boy]

He's still an Assclown even if LSD fried hippies suck. It's probably not mostly them. It's probably the Rich Progressive wing as much as anything with their particular vassal low-income areas, and a lot of them are Gen X/elder millenial at this point.

The zoomers are still young enough to be rutting on the beach or playing video games while classes are canceled...or... delivering your pizza and selling you groceries or driving somebody else's truck.

 

[adcarrymaokai]

He's still an Assclown even if LSD fried hippies suck.

Yeah, but too many people fixate on Trump as if he is some kind of evil genius who illegitimately seized power and is trying to ruin the nation... when in reality Trump is just a clown president elected by a clown nation, which has a history of electing clowns. Neither Trump, nor Russia created the problems facing America today.

Like, some people legit think that once Trump is out of the office, things will magically get better.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I am sorry, what matters more to me is economic policy, not sworn party fealty.

GOP economic policy is increase wealth disparity while continuing to beat false notes out of the trickledown drum. Someday you will realize that. Then you will make the actual "lesser of two evils" choice and realize that no one else is really acting out of "sworn party fealty" either, it's just that there is a clearly better party.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

I do not. I also still would like a link.

Still waiting.

But I did find this

He added that if he determines there are shortfalls in essential supplies he would invoke the Defense Production Act. And he suggested questions about his willingness to do so were evidence of media bias.

"You don't know what we've done -- you don't know whether or not we've ordered -- you don't know if we've invoked it. You don't know what's been ordered, what's not been ordered," he said, even though in a tweet on Thursday evening he wrote he would only invoke it "it in a worst case scenario in the future."

Earlier in the day, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi called on Trump to use the Defense Production Act to ramp up production of needed equipment.

"There is not a day to lose," she said. "We must put more testing, more protective equipment and more ventilators into the hands of our frontline workers immediately."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/19/politics/trump-masks-ventilators/index.html

 

[Patine]

This all seems like a surreal, unforeseeable situation.

Trump and Tulsi's foreign policies are very similar. (There is an added plank of substituting armed competition with trade competition, so they are not identical.) Trump also just stole 1000 Yangbux this week. Secure/closed borders are anti-libertarian. Battling to the death with the Washington establishment, and in particular the FBI and CIA, but even against the elites in one's own party, is fundamentally liberal... or at least it should be. Before the 2016 election an essayist for one of the conservative think tanks remarked on these things. "On trade, globalization, and war, Trump is to the left (conventionally understood) not only of his own party, but of his Democratic opponent."

Just in case things started getting remotely predictable, coronachan hit the scene and I have no doubt it will change people further.

Actually, his trade policy is to the RIGHT of both major parties. But a really old-school right-wing. So old school, few people remember the "Conservative Coalition," of paleoconservative Democrats and Republicans who allied against FDR, initially led by his former VP, John Nance Garner, who refused to carry on in his Administration, to restore the growing trends that let to bipartisan free trade policy near the end of WW2 to the "traditional practice of conservative and responsible tariffs and protectionism." It's just been something so long out of the American economic loop for either major party - "not a Presidential election issue," for so long, people have actually forgotten where it is on the economic-political spectrum, and just ASSUME it must be far to the left.

 

[adcarrymaokai]

By the way, I was already critical of the Democratic party before I even knew Bernie existed. Obama deported many more people than Trump and ordered a strike on Libya, for instance. The movement he built quickly died, and people were out there "occupying" Wall Street. So this whole narrative that Bernie is responsible for people's change of perceptions is on the same level as "everyone who is not a Democrat is a Russian bot".

All this election cycle did was confirm what I started to suspect in 2011.

Still waiting.

But I did find this

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/19/politics/trump-masks-ventilators/index.html

So you CAN google for yourself, after all. I am not doing the work for you, as you probably already figured out, and I really could not care less about "giving links". If you really care, you will find it yourself. Otherwise it's just link trolling/sealioning.

Moderator Action: Leave it to the staff to determine what is trolling or not. ~ Arakhor

 

[hobbsyoyo]

So you CAN google for yourself, after all. I am not doing the work for you, as you probably already figured out, and I really could not care less about "giving links". If you really care, you will find it yourself. Otherwise it's just link trolling/sealioning.

Is there a reason you're grandstanding on this? I didn't ask you to do my work for me, I asked you to back your unsubstantiated claims giving the other nonsense you're posting.

 

[Farm Boy]

GOP economic policy is increase wealth disparity while continuing to beat false notes out of the trickledown drum. Someday you will realize that. Then you will make the actual "lesser of two evils" choice and realize that no one else is really acting out of "sworn party fealty" either, it's just that there is a clearly better party.

Heheh. Well, there are still True Believers, I suppose.

 

[Patine]

GOP economic policy is increase wealth disparity while continuing to beat false notes out of the trickledown drum. Someday you will realize that. Then you will make the actual "lesser of two evils" choice and realize that no one else is really acting out of "sworn party fealty" either, it's just that there is a clearly better party.

How many more "lesser of two evils," pick your poison," and "here's your two idiots," elections will the American electorate have to endure before they get REAL choice in their leaders, and the corrupt forces rigging elections are removed from their power, whom the voters had never put them into, and the U.S. Constitution had never granted them, and put into long prison sentences for electoral malfeasance and interference instead?

 

[Farm Boy]

All of them so long as we're allowed to have them, Patine. When everything about them is good news, you'll know defeat is complete.

 

[adcarrymaokai]

GOP economic policy is increase wealth disparity while continuing to beat false notes out of the trickledown drum. Someday you will realize that. Then you will make the actual "lesser of two evils" choice and realize that no one else is really acting out of "sworn party fealty" either, it's just that there is a clearly better party.

Yeah, I guess I should just roll over and accept all the bad stuff that happens to me without bothering to fight back. Why even care?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Yeah, I guess I should just roll over and accept all the bad stuff that happens to me without bothering to fight back. Why even care?

Nope. You should fight back. If you buy into the GOP lie, go ahead and fight for them. If you don't, fight against them. If you don't approve of the two party system...you just gotta leave it or live with it. Bad breaks of birth location.