2020 US Election (Part Two)

[cardgame]

There's so few Americans who are genuine Nazis (as opposed to American-created and -contextual far-right-wing movements), I doubt anyone would notice if they all left, nor the would the socio-political balance of power in the U.S. be meaningfully affected.

Have you seen the new Borat film?

 

[Patine]

Have you seen the new Borat film?

I, myself, tend not to view parody as documentary or investigative journalism, especially the very low-brow, off-putting, overt, slapstick calibre, and unfunny, as I see things, "humour," that predominates American parody for the last two decades or so.

 

[cardgame]

He gets a Trump rally very amped up and excited about the prospect of murdering journalists

 

[Patine]

He gets a Trump rally very amped up and excited about the prospect of murdering journalists

Given Biden's long history in the Senate Military Affairs Committee, his approval of every war and military action proposed in that period, as well as every CIA action, and the War on Drugs and (un)Patriot Act, I'm sure he has ACTUALLY had his hand in a few journalists being silenced. That being said, I still stand by the appraisal that both candidates ALLOWED to have a chance of winning by the rigged electoral system are absolutely rotten, vile, criminals who both deserve serving life sentences in prison, not being in the White House, and that the 2020 U.S. Presidential election has no chance at all of producing a real leader that is needed in this period of American history, any sort of positive or meaningful change, or any break from the old toxic political patterns or showing any real, long-term collective lessons have been learned, and is just a selection of one wretched monster or another, like the 1852, 1920, 1968, 2004, and 2016 U.S. Presidential elections before it. Don't get up your hopes or fears like everyone else is - the result will be disappointment and anticlimax, and a high criminal inaugurated in January 2021, regardless.

 

[Kyriakos]

Yes, and thats sad because Trump is a scumbag. But somehow the Democrats actually found two less decent people to run against him.

But why is he less decent than Trump? "Hey fat" or "dog-faced pony soldier" sounds less terrible than grab them by the Prussia.

 

[Gorbles]

But why is he less decent than Trump? "Hey fat" or "dog-faced pony soldier" sounds less terrible than grab them by the Prussia.

Because Berserker, who absolutely does not like or support Trump in any way, just considers Trump a better person and all the things Trump has done to be good or better.

Just don't think about it too much.

 

[Patine]

Because Berserker, who absolutely does not like or support Trump in any way, just considers Trump a better person and all the things Trump has done to be good or better.

Just don't think about it too much.

Anyone who thinks that either candidate ALLOWED a chance of winning by the rigged electoral system (there's usually 20-30 candidates for U.S. President in any given 1990's or 21st Century election, but most Americans - and non-Americans - would never know) is in any way, shape, or form, a good, better, needed, or even not detrimental choice, and that any possible good is going to come in about a week at the ballot box, and any real systemic change is going to happen, any root problems or issues facing the nation are being to be seriously or productively addressed at all, and that the plutocrats are not going to be the ones who immensely get the lion's share of benefit, while everyone else gets screwed, had better be prepared for a shocker.

 

[Kyriakos]

Anyone who thinks that either candidate ALLOWED a chance of winning by the rigged electoral system (there's usually 20-30 candidates for U.S. President in any given 1990's or 21st Century election, but most Americans - and non-Americans - would never know) is in any way, shape, or form, a good, better, needed, or even not detrimental choice, and that any possible good is going to come in about a week at the ballot box, and any real systemic change is going to happen, any root problems or issues facing the nation are being to be seriously or productively addressed at all, and that the plutocrats are not going to be the ones who immensely get the lion's share of benefit, while everyone else gets screwed, had better be prepared for a shocker.

Usually there's only one way for A not to be better or worse than B. It's called a tautology
I doubt many here are fans of Biden - I certainly can't be accused as such. I am also pretty sure Biden would have lost to Trump if it wasn't for the coronavirus, cause Biden is a ridiculously bad candidate.
But I am not seeing how Biden is "less decent" than Trump, no.

 

[Patine]

Usually there's only one way for A not to be better or worse than B. It's called a tautology
I doubt many here are fans of Biden - I certainly can't be accused as such. I am also pretty sure Biden would have lost to Trump if it wasn't for the coronavirus, cause Biden is a ridiculously bad candidate.
But I am not seeing how Biden is "less decent" than Trump, no.

"Lesser of two evils," scenarios should really get old on voters who care about their nation and want their vote to mean something after such a scenario happens CONTINUOUSLY and UNABATEDLY, wouldn't you say?

 

[Kyriakos]

"Lesser of two evils," scenarios should really get old on voters who care about their nation and want their vote to mean something after such a scenario happens CONTINUOUSLY and UNABATEDLY, wouldn't you say?

Certainly. But how about "worse of two evils"?

 

[Patine]

Certainly. But how about "worse of two evils"?

How about can the "two evils," and have real choice?

 

[Gorbles]

Anyone who thinks that either candidate ALLOWED a chance of winning by the rigged electoral system (there's usually 20-30 candidates for U.S. President in any given 1990's or 21st Century election, but most Americans - and non-Americans - would never know) is in any way, shape, or form, a good, better, needed, or even not detrimental choice, and that any possible good is going to come in about a week at the ballot box, and any real systemic change is going to happen, any root problems or issues facing the nation are being to be seriously or productively addressed at all, and that the plutocrats are not going to be the ones who immensely get the lion's share of benefit, while everyone else gets screwed, had better be prepared for a shocker.

Yes, we know, everybody sucks. That said, people are going to ultimately express a preference that relates to their own living conditions, and for a bunch of people Trump is a threat to that. For some voters, it's purely about survival. You can look down your nose at whoever you want, you can criticise people for voting for the establishment, but ultimately you as someone who isn't even in the US (and neither am I, but I don't make a job out of this topic like you do) are simply grandstanding on your morals. It doesn't impact you.

Unfortunately for you, the change you're asking for isn't going to come about by haranguing people on an Internet forum.

 

[Kyriakos]

How about can the "two evils," and have real choice?

I hope it will happen, obviously. But why expect (eg) AOC to have a better chance to run if Trump actually wins this one?

Anyway, I am not a US voter. For me Trump also is negative due to his dealings with Turkey - involved in a bank scandal there, due to his nice hotels. I thought it was illegal for a US president to make money out of his position as president? ^_^

 

[Patine]

Yes, we know, everybody sucks. That said, people are going to ultimately express a preference that relates to their own living conditions, and for a bunch of people Trump is a threat to that. For some voters, it's purely about survival. You can look down your nose at whoever you want, you can criticise people for voting for the establishment, but ultimately you as someone who isn't even in the US (and neither am I, but I don't make a job out of this topic like you do) are simply grandstanding on your morals. It doesn't impact you.

Unfortunately for you, the change you're asking for isn't going to come about by haranguing people on an Internet forum.

By omission, you are not acknowledging it is the corrupt, rigged, and cheated American electoral system and the "Turno Pacifico," Duopoly that is the real problem that is leading to these kind of worthless, stolen, and morally bankrupt elections, and unaccountable criminals in government who are de facto untouchable by law and justice. But instead you, like everyone else here. is monomaniacally focused on Trump, buying into the myth that he is the CAUSE of all of America's problems and issues. Well, here's a surprise for you, and everyone else here - he ISN'T! He is a SYMPTOM of those problems and issues. And until those problems and issues are addressed - and neither Duopoly Party's leadership has shown any appetite or desire to seriously touch them MEANINGFULLY - government will continue to be corrupt, unaccountable, non-transparent, and commit - and hold it's members utterly immune to criminal consequences of - the worst crimes in the country, ones common citizens are INCAPABLE of committing - and crimes that have BIPARTISAN SUPPORT. And the corrupt plutocrats will make massive profits off the business of politics, making their "investments," - or bribes - to get things going. And no one else will ever see the real change, betterment, or reform they need - or if it comes, it'll be a lot later than other First World Countries, and often broken, half-hearted, semi-functional, and still catering to Plutocrats, like Obamacare instead of National Health Care, and the "soft power tyranny," will continue unabated. And there will be more "Trumps," effectively, if you will, including left-wing analogs to him, because the issues and problems that produced Trump will not be PRODUCTIVELY addressed.

 

[Gorbles]

By omission, you are not acknowledging it is the corrupt, rigged, and cheated American electoral system and the "Turno Pacifico," Duopoly that is the real problem that is leading to these kind of worthless, stolen, and morally bankrupt elections, and unaccountable criminals in government who are de facto untouchable by law and justice. But instead you, like everyone else here. is monomaniacally focused on Trump, buying into the myth that he is the CAUSE of all of America's problems and issues. Well, here's a surprise for you, and everyone else here - he ISN'T! He is a SYMPTOM of those problems and issues. And until those problems and issues are addressed - and neither Duopoly Party's leadership has shown any appetite or desire to seriously touch them MEANINGFULLY - government will continue to be corrupt, unaccountable, non-transparent, and commit - and hold it's members utterly immune to criminal consequences of - the worst crimes in the country, ones common citizens are INCAPABLE of committing - and crimes that have BIPARTISAN SUPPORT. And the corrupt plutocrats will make massive profits off the business of politics, making their "investments," - or bribes - to get things going. And no one else will ever see the real change, betterment, or reform they need - or if it comes, it'll be a lot later than other First World Countries, and often broken, half-hearted, semi-functional, and still catering to Plutocrats, like Obamacare instead of National Health Care, and the "soft power tyranny," will continue unabated. And there will be more "Trumps," effectively, if you will, including left-wing analogs to him, because the issues and problems that produced Trump will not be PRODUCTIVELY addressed.

I didn't claim that Trump was the cause of all of the US' problems and issues (of note, you keep calling it America. This is inaccurate).

If you spent less time grandstanding, and more time actually reading peoples' replies, perhaps you would misread less.

 

[Patine]

I didn't claim that Trump was the cause of all of the US' problems and issues (of note, you keep calling it America. This is inaccurate).

If you spent less time grandstanding, and more time actually reading peoples' replies, perhaps you would misread less.

Like people would stop misreading (and reading into) my own posts?

 

[Patine]

(of note, you keep calling it America. This is inaccurate)

I can be pedantic, too - to the point of driving you to drink. I am very skilled at petty pedantry. Don't drop the gauntlet on that challenge.

 

[H4run]

@Patine your general status quo stance can be quite counter-productive and anti-progress. You deconstruct everything but (re)construct nothing afterward. Like when two group of children competing on building the best sand-castle, you exposed the fault of both structure, then destroy both of it and left them broke.

 

[Gorbles]

Like people would stop misreading (and reading into) my own posts?

I didn't misread yours, either. Don't blame me for something I haven't done. Regardless, two wrongs don't make a right. This is the exact moral line you're driving in criticising both major US political parties. Stooping to it now to defend your own actions is counterproductive.

I can be pedantic, too - to the point of driving you to drink. I am very skilled at petty pedantry. Don't drop the gauntlet on that challenge.

You are already being pedantic. I'm not interested in any kind of ego-driven challenge, I'm simply holding you to the standards you expect of everyone else. Is that not fair?

And for the record, neither of these outbursts move the discussion forwards. You put words into my mouth, do you deny it?

 

[Sommerswerd]

I dub thee Bait, antipapist.

Careful now... you're being a meaniepants. And tricksy