5 city conquest challenge

[Hajime]

grs: I'll look carefully then.

There has to be a better way. Running a 5cc, we can't take rep hits or we get screwed pretty hard.

I planned on focusing on walls/barracks for infra, and pumping out military units. In 10 turns, even with 5 cities, I think that it should be possible to build enough of a force to last long enough, combined with what we already have, to take enough cpu cities to have it negotiate peace.

 

[gozpel]

We are already running a deficit

Exactly! I see no other way than ruining our rep and play hardball for the rest of the game. And if we wait until Sumeria got some better defenders, we will have to wait for cavs. And by then they probably have rifles. And so on.

Go for it Hajime. To get techs from renegging peace, while somewhat exploitive, it's not forbidden anywhere. Remember the AI pinched some gold from us before and now it's time to take it back

 

[Hajime]

Gozpel: Will do.

Time to MM like mad...at least I ended up grabbing turns where I have somewhat of a strength .

 

[gozpel]

Besides we can't build units for another 17 turns until we can declare. We have barracks already and walls won't do anything as our cities are pop 12.

We don't have much of a choice, I'm afraid. Just ally with all the other 3 AI for what they want and take out Sumeria all the way.

 

[Hajime]

Gozpel: Declare war immediately and ally, or focus on building units?

 

[grs]

We are already running a deficit. You can't build more units.

 

[Hajime]

Grs: Gotcha. (And why not, btw? I always run at a deficit! A quite big one in some games...0.0)

Let's see....time to war and get allies .

 

[Hajime]

Looking at this a bit more...

Ouch. This one could be difficult. Advice on first moves? (Other then the obvious stack troops and prepare to invade - ROP rape perhaps? Our rep is already screwed if we declare war.)

 

[t3h_m013]

i dont remember what rules we're playing on rop rape... (however we dont have enough troops to take all 4 cities at once, and being knights we can attack both border cities in one turn, i think ROP would be pointless) looking at the screenie i kinda think that combining the stacks and taking bad-tibira then umma then ur then lagash will be safer, then also we may end up with not many turns to wait beore all our deals are over? thered be a possibility of not settling for a few turns after we've taken Ur and keeping our rep... over optimistic maybe but what do you think?

 

[Doc Tsiolkovski]

lurker's comment:
Breaking a resource for Tech deal with a third party by loosing a trade route is bad enough, but not completely dishonorable. But a deliberate RoP rape .

 

[Hajime]

DocT: Heh. I know, I know. That was sarcasm, really. Note the smiley .

Anyways, anyone have any major suggestions?

 

[grs]

I think gozpel already layed out the attack plan. Raze the cities, than abandon Frankfurt and build where he pointed. How much more detail you want?

 

[Doc Tsiolkovski]

Note the smiley

Where ?
Especially, where is a (even mistyped) smiley in t3h_m013's answer ?

Tsts, don't confuse your fellow players...

 

[Hajime]

DocT: True .

Bad Mole, bad! That was sarcasm .

Albeit, in our situation.....Ick. I don't like this. Looking at map again.

 

[t3h_m013]

firstly i said we shouldnt use rop rape and secondly i dont disaprove of it that much.
im happy to go with gozpels plan but im not totally sure its the best idea?

 

[Hajime]

mole: Agreed, but it's the best plan from what everyone else is saying.

I hate the rep hit, however. I'd almost rather just get a big group of people warring on Sumeria after our turns expire - if we declare war on Sumeria, it's going to be VERY hard to get other civs to ally with us against Sumeria, remember that guys.

 

[gozpel]

We have 2 choices:

We wait until the deals are over in 17 turns and Sumeria (possibly) have rifles.

Or we ally with Russia, which probably breaks the rep. England should be easy enough to get in an alliance, dunno how keen Spain will be though. Might be possible with lots of gpt, we will get alot back if the deals are broken.

And besides, all it takes to break the traderoutes anyways, is one russian spear somewhere that cut a road and our rep could be trashed too.

On the positive side: We get the spot we want for the 5th city, including horses and gems.

 

[Opac]

Im back from my trip, which ended up to be a really nice one, i'll comment on the game a bit later, but have read it up to this point currently.

 

[Hajime]

Gozpel: Swap me please? I don't want to be the one to make that decision related to rep.

 

[t3h_m013]

i think that you should keep your spot, more in the spirit.
is there any reason why we can go to war and not abandon frankfurt straight away? or do we have deals with sumeria? i cant remember