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A Brave New World

Discussion in 'Never Ending Stories' started by EQandcivfanatic, Mar 24, 2008.

  1. Yui108

    Yui108 Deity

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    ouch... I wonder how I lost Belgium.
     
  2. Masada

    Masada Koi-san!

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    Something to do with hating you forevermore must have helped? Brussels lost you the war in the long run.

    There was little to no way you could have continued to occupy the whole area, with constant terrorist attacks backed by a sympathetic regime to my West, and with the whole population supporting me. Anyone with a brain would have looked at the costs of the occupation, the benefits accruing from it and said screw this.

    Short answer, you would have either collapsed in the long run from the absurd cost of occupying an area with a similar population to yours, or given up, or been driven out, by either France or myself or both.

    A very plausible scenario would be a massive riot with a massive general strike crippling the whole of Belgium with the French restoring order if you can't or stepping in if your troops "overreacted". There were no Belgians in the French military I swear! A few likely chaps provoking a border incident would be an easy enough catalyst.
     
  3. DarthNader

    DarthNader Destroyer of Worlds

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    YAY! CELTIC REPUBLIC OF BRITAIN LIVES!!!! Many many years of planning yield success in the final update!
     
  4. bestshot9

    bestshot9 Monkey Sharpshooter

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    Long live the glorious Swedish Empire. Too bad those Chinese rebels had to attack our shipping vessels around Karlso (Okinawa) or else we wouldn't have had to intervene and also get us a nice little colony in the country, as well. ;)
     
  5. Adrogans

    Adrogans Quiet Laughter...

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    Woohoo a united Italy!
     
  6. Jason The King

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    boooo, Virginia will have occupied ALL of the eastern seaboard!!!
     
  7. Matt0088

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    There was no way in HELL that I was going to sit by the wayside while Quebec expanded to all the rest of unsettled OTL Canada. I wasn't going to start researching Military techs at a fast and furious rate for nothing.:mischief:
     
  8. Crezth

    Crezth 話說天下大勢分久必合合久必分

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    Oh, sure, sure, and I'm sure the massive French Imperial Armed Forces would have sat by the wayside and let you take down Quebec? You keep thinking that.
     
  9. Matt0088

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    Naw, I was waiting for you and New England to duke it out, and I was to sneak a war with Quebec while most of your attention was away. I original joined the NEP and TAP for that purpose.
    Edit: Don't think I was going to stick 3 infantry divisions and 1 cavalry division either. There was a clause in the telegraph contracts that would have made things interesting too if I got the chance to use it.
     
  10. Luckymoose

    Luckymoose The World is Mine

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    You would never have defeated me.
     
  11. Crezth

    Crezth 話說天下大勢分久必合合久必分

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    Actually New England and I and Russia had a triple entente going. We were going to destroy the rest of the world first before each other. China anyone?

    You may have been better concerned with my going to war with, say, Virginia. But as it stood I was very unlikely to get in a war, barring a major gaffe, because many nations were starting to distrust each other and nobody could take me on 1v1. The Imperium was well secured.
     
  12. Matt0088

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    Unforunately...

    This is what I was I hoping to happen between the TAP and FIP, but New England blocking the Eire canal changed that.

    You can take your own conclusion to the bolded text, especially if you didn't research telegraph.:mischief:

    Was there any chance that you would have sold Alaska, I was willing to pay 5 IC and upwards range when I planning to ask around 1865.
     
  13. Crezth

    Crezth 話說天下大勢分久必合合久必分

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    The TAP fizzled out towards the end. Really it only consisted of the Dutch, Virginia, and Texas, with close ties to Prussia. War was unlikely, because the Entente was unwilling, and the TAP was unable.

    Yeah, nice loophole in that contract. I wanted to say something but I never took you up on that offer anyway (for other reasons).

    And no, I was unlikely to sell any part of my empire. Louisiana breaking away is sad but, like Britain in OTL, I am not gone from North America. Quebec is like my very own Canada.
     
  14. Matt0088

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    I can't tell if that yeah was sarcasm or not:crazyeye:, no one mentioned it, so I thought nobody really noticed.
    Not even for 12 IC? That was my upper limit.

    Edit: Something I forgot to mention, If I couldn't get Alaska or favorable position to start a war, I was going to start taking over the land above the Albany river. So, my inital statement still stands, Quebec wasn't going to completely take over what was left of the north.
     
  15. EQandcivfanatic

    EQandcivfanatic Zailing Captain Retired Moderator

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    Well i envision Louisiana as a commonwealth sort of state, a souther Quebec
     
  16. Yui108

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    Roughly equal populations would be a stretch. Luxembourg and the Netherlands nearly double Belgium.

    Not to mention the fact that roughly half of the Belgian population (Flems) is either uncaring or on the Dutch side in any case of Walloon rebellion. It is also important to remember that the Belgian rebellion of the 1830's was a remarkably close run affair, and if Britain would not have intervened historically it likely would have gone the way of Der Netherlands.
    Those reasons are basically my justification for continuing to keep Belgium as part of the "One Netherlands"
     
  17. Crezth

    Crezth 話說天下大勢分久必合合久必分

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    Well Yui, it's nothing personal, but I lent much support to Belgium. As much as I gave it likely would have escalated in the coming decades.

    Not even for 12 IC, or the equivalent of 6,000,000 Francs. I paid 100,000 Francs for it and while that would have given me a tremendous profit margin, I was holding on to it because it was a symbol of the stretch of the power of France (though many regarded it as a waste: "Louis Philippe's Folly").

    Although had you offered 6 million Francs it might have gone another way, depending on things. Honestly though considering it's potential worth (an OOC consideration) and what it meant to the empire as part of a massive contiguous French influence, I wouldn't have settled - in the end - for less than 10 million. The fact that you're Canada is another consideration, and if you had paid that much for what amounts to, in this time, a stretch of worthless tundra, you probably would have suffered severe throes of rebellion. During which I would have taken it back, and kept the money. ;)
     
  18. Matt0088

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    I would have drum up support for it calling it the beginning of our colonial empire and the regaining of our land lost because of the WSU. Mentioning that were better than Quebecois because we don;t have to kill indians to get land would have also been used. If 20 IC have been negotiated down to say 15 or 17 IC, I probably with have bought it, thought the payment would have to be spread up over 5 years minium. If it was bought for 12 IC, I would have payed it outright in 2 turns.
    Edit: I don't think you'll risk war with New England for getting it back.
     
  19. Ace of Gold

    Ace of Gold MAKE WAY FOR THE BAD GUY

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    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: I would of loved to see you try.
     
  20. Yui108

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    Oh, you supporting them changes everything. Was that too offset me, or Prussia?
     

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