A&E and the new forums
- Thread starter Plotinus
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I'd prefer for it to be merged, if only to cut down on Colosseum forums. I think a good number of the threads could go into Civillium which is likely to see less thread turnover that Taberna; as such I'm not too concerned about threads dying before they've had a chance to get off the ground.
Narz
keeping it real
I like it as is. What does it matter how many Colosseum subforums there are?
azzaman333
meh
Well it has both good and bad points, as an idea. The bad is that i am sure many threads will suffer a decrease in quality when moved to the tavern forum which is as to be expected full of drunks
The good is that finally we can have some serious art threads in the serious ot forum, such as the (doomed here due to trolls) favorite painting thread. Remember how the art forum started as a serious artistic discussion forum? It ended up being mostly lighthearted (and that is mostly a euphemism).
You're remembering wrong. A&E was never a serious artistic discussion forum.
It's not for lack of trying. 
LucyDuke
staring at the clock
Doesn't matter how hard you try if nobody wants to have a serious artistic discussion.
I changed my mind - shut them all down except CT. Concentrate traffic. I found another solution to my problem.
I changed my mind - shut them all down except CT. Concentrate traffic. I found another solution to my problem.
It wasn't that nobody was willing. There were people willing, but there were other people who insisted on trolling, flaming, threadjacking, spamming... pretty much the entire list of infractible offenses rolled into the same thread.
There were people willing, but there were other people who insisted on trolling, flaming, threadjacking, spamming... pretty much the entire list of infractible offenses rolled into the same thread.
LucyDuke
staring at the clock
Ah, I supposed the wrong problem. Sorry.
But now I'm confused. If A&E's moderation standards are low enough to leave your serious art discussion to spoil in spam, why wouldn't you want to try it in OT:SRS?
But now I'm confused. If A&E's moderation standards are low enough to leave your serious art discussion to spoil in spam, why wouldn't you want to try it in OT:SRS?
I am among those who have argued in favor of a merger in the general 4/1/12 whine threads.
Your arguments are very valid, though, and after looking into this forum (for the first time in weeks if not months) i have to say most of this is not what i would want to see merged with FC.
All i really wanted was for mods to allow debate of art and entertainment as a matter popular culture, public opinion, politics etc. in the "ordinary" OT forums (i.e. FT and FC), which so far they usually didn't.
I'd hate to see that complaint fielded by me and others result in destroying the refuge of a small but dedicated group of posters.
I am sorry for contributing to a situation were this place is somewhat threatened.
Anyway. Mods could just stop moving stuff to AE that gets started in OT on purpose and for good reason.
Aaah, that's never stopped you guys. :3
Long story, and a frustrating one.
Believe it or not, the most troublesome part of deciding on moderation standards for A&E was NOT whether or not to allow depictions of nudity (as in the statue of David or certain famous paintings). The most troublesome things were those things that were (and are) troublesome for OT (in whatever incarnation).
Heretic_Cata
We're gonna live forever
In the case of A&E, if a thread is good or it sucks depends on the subject and the quality of the opening post. If the opening post is some pretentionus drivell that opens a mental masturbation thread then you can expect it to be devoured.
In some cases, the OP was perfectly good, and the intention was clear. However, some people committed the rules violations because of who the OP was - in short, targeted trolling/bullying. Should an OP be punished by having the thread shut down because other people are determined to misbehave?
Please remember: I was a moderator then, and this was my primary forum. I still remember this all quite clearly. Yes, in hindsight there are things that should have been done that were not done. But what could one moderator do when some people were utterly determined to be as disruptive as possible and could not be banned because they didn't meet the official criteria for banning?
I don't believe in punishing the victim(s) of bullies.
Please remember: I was a moderator then, and this was my primary forum. I still remember this all quite clearly. Yes, in hindsight there are things that should have been done that were not done. But what could one moderator do when some people were utterly determined to be as disruptive as possible and could not be banned because they didn't meet the official criteria for banning?
I don't believe in punishing the victim(s) of bullies.
Heretic_Cata
We're gonna live forever
Some people really do make the same kinds of OPs.
LucyDuke
staring at the clock
In some cases, the OP was perfectly good, and the intention was clear. However, some people committed the rules violations because of who the OP was - in short, targeted trolling/bullying. Should an OP be punished by having the thread shut down because other people are determined to misbehave?
Please remember: I was a moderator then, and this was my primary forum. I still remember this all quite clearly. Yes, in hindsight there are things that should have been done that were not done. But what could one moderator do when some people were utterly determined to be as disruptive as possible and could not be banned because they didn't meet the official criteria for banning?
I don't believe in punishing the victim(s) of bullies.
I could never believe that, that the bullies won. It was so totally wrong. It's a good thing the official criteria for banning has changed.
sophie
Break My Heart
In some cases, the OP was perfectly good, and the intention was clear. However, some people committed the rules violations because of who the OP was - in short, targeted trolling/bullying. Should an OP be punished by having the thread shut down because other people are determined to misbehave?
Please remember: I was a moderator then, and this was my primary forum. I still remember this all quite clearly. Yes, in hindsight there are things that should have been done that were not done. But what could one moderator do when some people were utterly determined to be as disruptive as possible and could not be banned because they didn't meet the official criteria for banning?
I don't believe in punishing the victim(s) of bullies.
If it occurred because of a specific OP (and I think we all know which OP we're talking about) it's because those threads weren't discussions and everyone knew it the instant they were opened. The OP didn't listen to anything anybody said and often bumped their own thread multiple times when there was no activity. It was irritating, and rendered even moreso when, often, the mods did nothing about it.
Also I'm another voice towards A&E was never a serious forum. It was a forum for circlejerks and criticizing other peoples' taste, mostly in music and movies. Really as long as Pettyness doesn't prop up in OTJR, I really have no problem with it being removed.
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