Grimz101
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I think he was discussing Spain from a historical perspective. After The US - Spainish war in 1902 or whenever they were of no long relevance but before that, they were a significant consideration.
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1898 I do believe, and they were a paper tiger long before that war even started.
Grimz101
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Okay 1825 then, I was drawing arbitrary dates, they were once a superpower though. But this is completely off-topic and lets move back to ridiculing ridiculous political philosophies
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Spain's been a paper tiger since 1648 
But this is more fun.Okay 1825 then, I was drawing arbitrary dates, they were once a superpower though. But this is completely off-topic and lets move back to ridiculing ridiculous political philosophies
It was certainly the weakest country on the list by far, but it was still a decent enemy for the USA. Indeed, Germany should have been on the list too.
Germany never posed any direct threat to America either.
In my opinion, if China grows economically, they must have earned it. And the more the Western world gets economically intertwined with it, the lesser the chance for a military conflict and the higher the mutual profit.
You really DO hope for civil war in another country? How cynical.
In my opinion, if China grows economically, they must have earned it. And the more the Western world gets economically intertwined with it, the lesser the chance for a military conflict and the higher the mutual profit.
ilduce349
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That is part of my philosophy, however can you cant expect to grow in power, with out gaining a larger military, so if we have an opportunity to INVADE CHINA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GhostWriter16
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Canada invade China????
Or, are you talking about the US.
If so, I have better ideas http://www.invadecanada.us/ I shall dominate thy country Ilduce!!!!!!! Muahahaha!!!!
Seriously, why invade China? Really, we need to finish Iraq and Afganistan (And I mean fully set up a self-functioning Republican government) and then invade Iran, China is unnecessary.
Of course, if they decide to declare war on us because of the debt issue, I would then support Nuking them into the dust if we had to, but, I think the threat of Armageddon would get anybody to leave us alone.
Grimz101
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1. They have nukes too.
2. Excluding nukes, you can't invade China, you would be slaughtered.
3. I'm not saying their military is stronger, but they have the home advantage, and you'd need to transport how many millions of troops to China, and expect more deaths then the whole of the military deaths in WWII combined.
4. And after you transport all those millions you will still loose.
5. Lilduce you've never heard of Japan it seems then.
6. China is fine with collecting interest from the US with all the debt, and it's part of it's policy to depreciate it's currency, if they stopped buying your dollars their currency would become stronger, meaning less exports, meaning lots of jobless Chinese workers, meaning mass unpopularity for their government.
2. Excluding nukes, you can't invade China, you would be slaughtered.
3. I'm not saying their military is stronger, but they have the home advantage, and you'd need to transport how many millions of troops to China, and expect more deaths then the whole of the military deaths in WWII combined.
4. And after you transport all those millions you will still loose.
5. Lilduce you've never heard of Japan it seems then.
6. China is fine with collecting interest from the US with all the debt, and it's part of it's policy to depreciate it's currency, if they stopped buying your dollars their currency would become stronger, meaning less exports, meaning lots of jobless Chinese workers, meaning mass unpopularity for their government.
Well I wasn't being completely serious when I said that, but I do fear having the most powerful country in the world as a dictatorship that seems not to mind violently supressing it's own people when there's dissent.
GhostWriter16
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I did not say we should invade China. I think we would easily beat them in a war though. Still don't think its worth it.
Grimz101
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You could never defeat them in an invasion, maybe cut off their trade routes, but anything more then that I doubt. But yeah it would never be worth it really, plus it would be easier just to destabilize the regime.
GhostWriter16
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I already said it would not be worthwhile or ethical.
Besides, that was Ilduce with that idea, not me.
ilduce349
(Financial, Philo)
I was saying from an american point of view. I also said if we get a good opportunity to invade, but that will never happen so we never will invade
Agree here, but isn't a dictatorship over one billion people bad no matter how powerful it is?
You would easily control the Chinese Sea and gain aerial dominance, yes. It's even debatable if your ground forces could defeat the Chinese army in direct combat if landing would have been successful on a broad front. But even if you did, they could still return to Mao tactics. And you/we are not even able to cope with that in a country of Afghanistan's size.
By the way, theoretical issues aside, how would you justify such an attack? Or put differently: would "you become too powerful for us" suffice as a justification for you?
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China is very quickly poised to take over America's role as the sole superpower. They have us by the balls in debt, roughly double our population, a massive military, and are effectively impervious to any effort of invasion by virtue of their sheer numbers.
Rather quadruple. 1,3 billion vs. 300 million roughly.
GhostWriter16
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We have enough nukes to destroy the world, so, we could at least tie the world in a war, I don't think anybody will touch us.
Except ourselves.
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