ilduce349
(Financial, Philo)
Thats y i said little to no intervention.
Absolute Capitalism
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Harbringer
Your A One Flower Garden
Does that even really count as little intervention though? Thats a pretty huge deal.
plarq
Crazy forever
Little intervention to stop a Massive monopoly?
Harbringer
Your A One Flower Garden
Epic Crosspost is Epic.
plarq
Crazy forever
Crosspost too
there's no "pure" capitalism if we define it free-market way, OTOH, every modern economy system is capitalism if we use "capital rules" definition, even those Marxist states are state capitalist: state controls capital, capital holders exploit the masses, the sole purpose of capital is to increase itself, etc.
Little to no government involvement in the economy will not result in a free market. It will result in a market centrally planned by private interests.
ilduce349
(Financial, Philo)
the fact is, currently in real life, with little intervention in the states, their are few monopolies, their are normally 3-4 businesses the control the market, that isn't a monopoly
So you are saying the current system is working?
lovett
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Oligopolies are little better than monopolies and many are functional monopolies. Certainly oligopolies set price above market equilibrium. And a market with 3-4 competitors is liable to be oligopolistic.
GhostWriter16
Deity
Actually, other than maybe Taniciusfox, I will say you are the member I agree with most. That being said: What do you believe you haven't said that gave you those Economic and Authoritarian scores? Also, how would you describe your beliefs (Meaning, not just fascism, but actual description of what that means) for the record, if by militaristic you mean a strong military and defending against tyranny, I would agree.
sophie
Break My Heart
Awesome! Domination is a fascist! He's on the left with us now!
GhostWriter16
Deity
He said Fascist for short, he's not really a fascist IIRC, I don't agree with Fascism at all (Well, I'm pretty sure its the same as Nazism anyhow.) However, there are some things that are good in Fascism that I'd like to point out, Strong foreign policy, not taking any nonsense from other countries (Not taking land like Hitler did, but not taking nonsense from other countries) and a strong military. These things are good. IIRC this is what ilduce349 stands for. I do not believe in Fascism in the sense that it really exists. I'd probably call myself a Tea Party Activist or an interventionist, or other things, but there's too much negative in Fascism to take the name despite some positive (Killing of people who disagree with you or are a race you don't like is such an awful thing that any good of Fascism becomes irrelevant)
sophie
Break My Heart
What about regulation to ensure the quality of the products being sold? Do you want the government involved in that? Or will the market sort it out when people start dying because of it?
What about maltreatment of workers? The 19th century showed us that when the government doesn't regulate workers' rights, the result is 15 hour work days, and terrible working conditions.
Absolute capitalism is all fine in theory, the problem is that the individual worker doesn't have any bargaining power, resulting in the corporation holding all the cards, and the worker not being able to do anything.
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Jewel Runner
Well, you may be a fascist, but at least you're not a homophobe.
GhostWriter16
Deity
Well, you may be a fascist, but at least you're not a homophobe.
Huh? Where did I say that? And, Phobe means afraid of anyhow, and I think few people are afraid of gays.
Belief that they are sinning is a different issue then fear.
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Jewel Runner
I'm aware of that. I made the reference because Tacinus is pretty openly gay, so your willingness to consider him your ally shows that you're not completely backward.
GhostWriter16
Deity
Mod, Please delete this post. It was an accidental double post.
GhostWriter16
Deity
I'm aware of that. I made the reference because Tacinus is pretty openly gay, so your willingness to consider him your ally shows that you're not completely backward.
In these debates, the enemy of my enemy is my friend...
Interpret as you will.
Yeah, I've seen his sig.
Now, if we were debating the morals of being gay, I'd have to oppose him. In this thread, we are not.
ilduce349
(Financial, Philo)
well I am glad i continued this thread
ilduce349
(Financial, Philo)
Based on your movie (in your sig) it would be a combination of a republic and oligarchy.
The founding fathers (as i cant think of a better name) would create a list of laws to protect society, those would be final, if any of those laws are to be changed a complete census in the oligarchy to change it or add to it.
As for the militarism, I just say that because I want people to no I am against democracy. I like a military dictatorship where someone appears to have full control of the country, but he is in fact just a puppet, their will be some sort of council who governs the country from behind the scenes. The elite, people smart enough and rich enough to get to the council, will be the only ones who know about it. The requirements would be IQ over 130, and to have gone from rags to riches (raised net worth by at least 20 million and made it go up by more then 10%). That way, the people would be smart enough to know how the system works better then anybody else. It also means no heredity bullsh*t. In short, the ones who join the oligarchy are the elite of the elite, the best choices for the job. That select few and the constitution controls the whole country and decides everything about it.
The main job of the Oligarchy will be to control the military to ensure stability and expand the borders of the country.
The main job of the Constitution will be to protect the common man from an evil done by the Oligarchy.
To guarantee everyone can get a fair chance. Their will be a two tier health and education.
Also on how the Oligarchy is run. There is an upper chamber, and lower chamber. The lower chamber is 1 or 2 hundred (maybe more) people they have minor power but they do get to vote on every issue run through the Oligarchy (just the Lower chamber is worth 25% of the vote, the dictator is worth 25% and the upper chamber is worth 50%). The Lower or the upper can propose a bill (changing a law, declaring war, ect) Once a member of the Upper chamber dies, or gets fired, he is replaced by a member of the lower chamber, I is chosen based on 3 things:
In more then 90% of his votes he has supported the upper chamber
He has never told anybody outside his job what his job is (neither family or friends)
His IQ is over 150 (top percentile)
He has been on the lower chamber for more then 5 years
If their is more then 1 man who is capable of filling the job, then it is the youngest one.
If noone fits the criterea then a vote is taken by the upper chamber on who to choose.
The upper chamber has just 9 people. 1 member is the head of the Military/police force, he is the only member who was never on the lower chamber.
If a bill is proposed by the Upper chamber they first give it a priority. They can choose high priority, where the lower chamber doesn't get to vote, or low priority where they do.
this is loosely how my dream government is run.
I believe in an atheist theocracy, (one of the questions was we should force are religious beliefs on others. I said strongly agree)
I believe in Capitol punishment
I strongly hate democracy
Everyone one of the economic questions I went absolute capitalism
The one place a fault in was I was pro choice on the abortion issue
I mean a strong Military to defend and invade enemy tyrants, so kind of.
One more thing, If my dream government was a Civilization, just to give you a general idea, it would be a:
Police State
Nationhood/Bureaucracy
Emancipation
Free Market
Theocracy
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