Altered Maps XIV: Cartographical Consistency

[warpus]

 

[Kyriakos]

Utah :\

 

[Borachio]

But with a population of < 3 million, and 62% self-reporting as Mormon, maybe that's not as impressive as it might be.

 

[Takhisis]

Remember that there's a Senate&#8230;

 

[SargontheGreat2]

Polish versus East Slavic (Ukrainian and Ruthenian) ethnicities in Eastern Galicia in year 1900:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=387134&d=1419206303

Cool! The Polish side of my family comes from Galicia, so very interesting.

 

[Domen]

Nice that you like it!

Another map - this time not mine, but found in the net (link below):

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?149362-European-populations-worldwide

(...) European, so ethnicities from the geographical continent of Europe from before 1492.

Estimates of Europeans and people of mostly European origin by country:

Dark green = 99%+, green = 90-99%, greyish = 80-89%, yellow = 70-79%, light brown = 60-69%, orange = 50-59%, blue = 40-49%, dark blue = 30-39%, pink = 20-29%, red = 10-19%, maroon = 1-10%, black = <1%.

Breakdown for people of European (pre-1492) origin by continent:

Europe - ca. 677,898,139 (ca. 91.3% of the population)
Oceania - ca. 24,451,924 (ca. 62% of the population)
North America - ca. 284,089,969 (ca. 54% of the population)
South America - ca. 172,170,336 (ca. 44% of the population)
Middle East & North Africa - ca. 9,376,801 (ca. 2,5% of the population)
Sub-Saharan Africa - ca. 6,232,437 (ca. 0,8% of the population)
Central, East & South Asia - 7,782,750 (ca. 0,2% of the population)

Entire world - ca. 1,182,002,384 (ca. 16,6% of the population)

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It seems that Argentina, Uruguay & Australia have higher % of citizens of European origin than the UK or France.

 

[Borachio]

What a surprise! Poland is dark green.

 

[Domen]

Well, Poland has not seen so much of Non-European immigration in period 1492 - 2014.

 

[Borachio]

You're right.

And why is that?

Is it because immigrants have been successfully repelled, or because they didn't want to go there?

 

[Kyriakos]

Nice that you like it!

Another map - this time not mine, but found in the net (link below):

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?149362-European-populations-worldwide



Estimates of Europeans and people of mostly European origin by country:

Dark green = 99%+, green = 90-99%, greyish = 80-89%, yellow = 70-79%, light brown = 60-69%, orange = 50-59%, blue = 40-49%, dark blue = 30-39%, pink = 20-29%, red = 10-19%, maroon = 1-10%, black = <1%.

Breakdown for people of European (pre-1492) origin by continent:

Europe - ca. 677,898,139 (ca. 91.3% of the population)
Oceania - ca. 24,451,924 (ca. 62% of the population)
North America - ca. 284,089,969 (ca. 54% of the population)
South America - ca. 172,170,336 (ca. 44% of the population)
Middle East & North Africa - ca. 9,376,801 (ca. 2,5% of the population)
Sub-Saharan Africa - ca. 6,232,437 (ca. 0,8% of the population)
Central, East & South Asia - 7,782,750 (ca. 0,2% of the population)

Entire world - ca. 1,182,002,384 (ca. 16,6% of the population)

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It seems that Argentina, Uruguay & Australia have higher % of citizens of European origin than the UK or France.

Eh... Finland is populated by 90% European natives? Mmmkay

And i have to doubt that the slavic Russians are just 70% of Russia's population.

lol@Israel too. Do you even think before posting such claims, Domen? :\

 

[Domen]

Finland is populated by 90% European natives?

What is strange about this - can you explain ???

lol@Israel too.

Check here:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?149362-European-populations-worldwide

Author counts European Jews as Europeans (pre-1492).

 

[Kyriakos]

What is strange about this - can you explain ???



Check here:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?149362-European-populations-worldwide

Author counts European Jews as European natives.

So if some Polish guy returns to Poland after living in the UK for most of his life, is he an English native?

That is not what 'native' means. Obviously that map would have a name as crap as its stats if it was aptly named, eg "people identifying as European/are culturally/whatever European". To look for actual natives is obviously not as easy, and not the realm of web pop studies

 

[Domen]

Check what is this guy's definition of Europeans - peoples who lived in Europe before 1492.

So yes, Ashkenazi and Sephardi Jews are very much Europeans by this definition.

As for Finland - I suppose you believe in this idea that Finns immigrated from Siberia.

Well, actually today's Northeast Europeans, such as Finns, have a lot of ancestry from prehistoric, Paleolithic Europeans:

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/346/6213/1113.abstract

http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2014/11/kostenki-14-perhaps-not-what-i-expected.html

(pre-LGM = before the Last Glacial Maximum)

At last, we have an ancient genome from pre-LGM Europe: Kostenki14 (K14) from the famous Kostenki Upper Paleolithic site in southern Russia. The paper, Seguin-Orlando et al. 2014, is locked away behind a paywall, but at least the supplementary materials are open access.

K14 is dated at 38,700-36,200 cal BP and belongs to Y-chromosome haplogroup C-M130, a basal and widespread paternal marker that has already been reported in three other ancient European genomes: La Brana-1 from Mesolithic Spain and NE5 and NE6 from Neolithic Hungary. It also belongs to mitochondrial (mtDNA) haplogroup U2, but we've actually known this since 2010 (see here).

The shared drift stats of the form f3(Mbuti;K14,X), where X is the test population, reveal that from among present-day Eurasians, this early European is most similar to Northeast Europeans, such as Lithuanians, Estonians and Belarusians, and some Western Europeans, like Basques and Orcadians (ie. people from the Orkney Isles). This is also what we've seen from other indigenous European hunter-gatherer genomes sequenced to date.

Kostenki14 ("1" below) lived north of the Black Sea, near what is today the Russian-Ukrainian border:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YECMQQMgnlk/VFw0eBTGjRI/AAAAAAAAJ14/itneofdPteI/s1600/F1.large.jpg

Reconstruction of Kostenki14's face:

He was one of so called "Cro-Magnons", who extended from Iberia to the Altai:


Link to video.

Reconstructions of "Cro-Magnons" from Sunghir, Russia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sungir


Link to video.

 

[Domen]

Loschbour (late Northern European hunter from Luxembourg; 8000 years ago) and Stuttgart (early farmer immigrant from the Middle East; 7000 years ago):

Note that the Northern European hunter was NOT lighter-pigmented (except for eyes) than the Middle Eastern immigrant farmer:

See here:

http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/autosomaladna.shtml#pigmentation

And also:

Loschbour Northern European hunter (8000 years ago) - reconstruction (location "5" on the map posted above):

La Brana man from north-west Iberia (7000 years ago) - reconstruction (location "3" on the map posted above):

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...-old-DNA-reveals-European-African-traits.html

Man, dubbed La Brana 1, also shows similarity to Scandinavian DNA

New scientific findings show that prehistoric European hunter-gatherers were rather dark-skinned (and this applies also to prehistoric Scandinavian hunter-gatherers). It seems that they did not need additional vitamin D from sunlight, because they had enough vitamin D from food - being hunters and gatherers, they were eating a lot of vitamin D-rich meat, fish, mushrooms and fruits. Only with the switch to agriculture several thousand years ago, amount of vitamin D-rich food in diet decreased - and as the result evolution of very pale skin tone among Europeans started.

Check also:

Debunking the theory that lighter skin gradually arose in Europeans nearly 40,000 years ago, new research has revealed that it started evolving much recently - only 7,000 years ago. (...) light-skin genes in Europeans evolved much more recently than previously thought. The findings, which were detailed today (Jan. 26, 2014) in the journal Nature, "also hint that light skin evolved not to adjust to the lower-light conditions in Europe compared with Africa, but instead to the new diet that emerged after the agricultural revolution", said study co-author Carles Lalueza-Fox, a paleogenomics researcher at Pompeu Fabra University in Spain.

The finding implies that for most of their evolutionary history, Europeans were not what many people today would call 'Caucasian', said Guido Barbujani, president of the Associazione Genetica Italiana in Ferrara, Italy, who was not involved in the study.

Instead, "what seems likely, then, is that the dietary changes accompanying the so-called Neolithic revolution, or the transition from food collection to food production, might have caused, or contributed to cause, this change," Barbujani said.

In the food-production theory, the cereal-rich diet of Neolithic farmers lacked vitamin D, so Europeans rapidly lost their dark-skin pigmentation only once they switched to agriculture, because it was only at that point that they had to synthesize vitamin D from the sun more readily.

"Most people of the world make most of their vitamin D in their skin as a result UV exposure. But at northern latitudes and with dark skin, this would have been less efficient. If people weren&#8217;t getting much vitamin D in their diet, then having lighter skin may have been the best option." - said co-researcher Mark Thomas of University College London.

 

[JohannaK]

When will someone post something interesting?

 

[Domen]

And i have to doubt that the slavic Russians are just 70% of Russia's population.

Me too. Apparently Russia is in the 80-89% range:

116,771,200 / 85.09% Russia

So this must be "greyish" colour, not "light brown".

 

[Takhisis]

When will someone post something interesting?

I don't bother two, every singel one of Domen's posts contains several pictures and lines of text and quotes with the name of the poster he's answering to left out so it's just a wall of text that occupies several screens' worth of my time. Thank you very much for killing the thread, Domen.

 

[JohannaK]

Are you drunk or just oblivious?

 

[Domen]

I think he was drunk because his post made no sense.

BTW - when I respond to a post which is just above my response, I don't see the need to quote it.

Like in this case.

 

[Domen]

So if some Polish guy returns to Poland after living in the UK for most of his life, is he an English native?

That is not what 'native' means. Obviously that map would have a name as crap as its stats if it was aptly named, eg "people identifying as European/are culturally/whatever European". To look for actual natives is obviously not as easy

If that guy defined "native Europeans" as "those who lived in Europe before 1492", then maybe let's just stick to his definition ???

"Native European" is a vague term - modern Europeans are to a large extent descendants of immigrants from the last 8000 years:

Check the graphs I've posted here:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=13616592#post13616592