Altered Maps XVI: Gerardus Mercator Must Die
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Broken_Erika
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The Montenegro is a lie!
Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
Altered, or made better?
Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
I found another map that is actually good and not dumb:
Seems to lend some weight to the whole English-as-creole line of thinking.
Seems to lend some weight to the whole English-as-creole line of thinking.
Lohrenswald
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cases like akkusative and dative?
Well, german supposedly lifted the grammar from medieval and ancient greek, so it would follow they have those elements. Likewise for their satellites ( 
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Not sure what is going on in Bulgaria major and Bulgaria minor. Does their grammar differ so much from the rest of the slavs?
)Not sure what is going on in Bulgaria major and Bulgaria minor. Does their grammar differ so much from the rest of the slavs?
Lohrenswald
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both english and norwegian have those
English doesn't, insofar as what is meant is altering the noun depending on the sentence using it as subject or object and other manners of speaking.
Eg, 'Kyriakos' is the same whether in english you say "Kyriakos says x" or "This belongs to Kyriakos". But in greek the first is 'Kyriakos', the second would be 'Kyriakou', and another case is 'Kyriako', and even 'Kyriake' if it is an invocation
English just has difference between singular and plural, not 4 or 5 cases for each.
That said, for greek the middle case (not sure what it is called in english) was stupidly taken out of use in the 70s, due to supposed 'modernization' (lol) of the language. So the case where the noun ends in omega, and means "to (noun)" is replaced with a periphrasis like 'sto'+noun etc.
While some terms still are routinely used in that case, it is seen as more archaic. Cause the 70s language modernization was braindead and should never have happened (it also took out the polytonic system, so we are left with just one tonal mark, ie a dot above the vowel which is stressed). Only good thing is that most of the changes to the language were overruled in practice, but not those main ones (i don't know how to write in polytonic).
Eg, 'Kyriakos' is the same whether in english you say "Kyriakos says x" or "This belongs to Kyriakos". But in greek the first is 'Kyriakos', the second would be 'Kyriakou', and another case is 'Kyriako', and even 'Kyriake' if it is an invocation
English just has difference between singular and plural, not 4 or 5 cases for each.
That said, for greek the middle case (not sure what it is called in english) was stupidly taken out of use in the 70s, due to supposed 'modernization' (lol) of the language. So the case where the noun ends in omega, and means "to (noun)" is replaced with a periphrasis like 'sto'+noun etc.
While some terms still are routinely used in that case, it is seen as more archaic. Cause the 70s language modernization was braindead and should never have happened (it also took out the polytonic system, so we are left with just one tonal mark, ie a dot above the vowel which is stressed). Only good thing is that most of the changes to the language were overruled in practice, but not those main ones (i don't know how to write in polytonic).
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Lohrenswald
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he/him is different cases
in addition, the cases are there even if some words and prepositions are the same in different ones
in addition, the cases are there even if some words and prepositions are the same in different ones
It isn't the same subject; cases here refer to nouns (maybe i misuse the english term for this). He/him etc are not categorized as nouns. In greek they are termed as "antonymies" (cause they replace nouns or go before them as specifically descriptive, eg 'this car' instead of 'the car'), and have other qualities), (careful; antonymies, not antonyma, ie antonyms; term comes from anti+ onoma)
Personal antonymies (sorry) replace something about a person, eg He instead of 'the man' or 'George' or 'the giant octopus-man hybrid' etc.
Maybe in english the personal such do retain full (?) case structure, but the map probably refers to generalized use, ie in nouns.
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Lohrenswald
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prepositions
but I will reiterate that even if a word doesn't change in different cases, they are there
also, in german, the noun itself doesn't change (as far as I remember) but rather the equivalents of for example the word "the"
They are inferred, which is to be expected (after all, we are all human, thus think similarly in the fundamental ways), but the grammatical difference is that they don't manifest in nouns, thus you don't have thousands of nouns having 4 or 5 cases each.
Iirc (not sure, took german in the middle of elementary school and hated it and quit after one year
) german nouns do have 5 cases (?).
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Lohrenswald
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wait I think I might be wrong about something
not all though
in any case german has 4 cases
not all though
in any case german has 4 cases
Lohrenswald
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yes
I'll shut up for the moment
I'll shut up for the moment
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Hey, don't be so hard on yourself. I had to look up greek grammar to post, cause (like most people who aren't actually linguists) i speak/write the language intuitively
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