Alternate History Thread V

[Symphony D.]

There was some historical data available, but I couldn't be bothered to work with it. May as well complain about the ice sheets and the fact no knew much about bathymetry at the time too.

What can be rather painlessly removed is Lake Volta, which I forgot to do.

 

[Luckymoose]

If you're going to fix one, might as well hit up Nasser, Aral Sea, etc.

EDIT: As for which map I'd prefer in the NES, I'll lean on Flat, simply because it is the only one that is appealing to the eye IMO. The other one is too cluttered with the textures, grid and vector rivers. I'm honestly not sure why a grid is even on the map.

 

[Thlayli]

Brest flirted with 100,000 people at various periods in its history, and could be above or below, depending on how the TL's demography worked out, though if less Frenchmen died I'd lean towards the former. If you're going to put a city in Sardinia you might as well give France its main port city.

Surprisingly, I agree with Lucky, though if the two could be updated in tandem (which would be easy if the map was created with some sort of layering program) that would be the optimal solution.

While we're picking nits, San Marino is part of the Italian federation and shouldn't be considered a separate country.

 

[Symphony D.]

If you're going to fix one, might as well hit up Nasser, Aral Sea, etc.

Turns out these (and Lake Chad) can be fixed pretty simply, so I'll forward Dachs the relevant updates.

I'm honestly not sure why a grid is even on the map.

The cool thing about layers is that they can be turned on and off. I did it because I felt like it. Dachs might think otherwise. He has the file so it's up to him.

Brest flirted with 100,000 people at various periods in its history, and could be above or below, depending on how the TL's demography worked out, though if less Frenchmen died I'd lean towards the former. If you're going to put a city in Sardinia you might as well give France its main port city.

Brest was maybe just under 100k pre-WWI, and didn't recover until 1954 or thereabouts OTL, hovering in the 60 to 70k region for most of the time between. Cagliari was solidly at 101,900 in 1931 OTL. My guess is these numbers are somewhat similar, but final call isn't mine.

Surprisingly, I agree with Lucky, though if the two could be updated in tandem (which would be easy if the map was created with some sort of layering program) that would be the optimal solution.

Not up to me.

 

[Kraznaya]

i like the grid, i really like the terrain and rivers

 

[Thlayli]

Even if you insist on not placing Brest, Lille should be there.

 

[Symphony D.]

It is, actually. It's just mislabeled as Belgian. Human error.

Quick Fix for Dachs: rectangular select it on "Cities", arrow key down one to move it a pixel, change the color to French blue.

 

[Luckymoose]

How much of the river data are you fixing? Major lakes that shouldn't exist for another 50 years should be removed, IMO. As for the grid, whatever, my opinion doesn't matter around here anyway.

 

[Symphony D.]

How much of the river data are you fixing? Major lakes that shouldn't exist for another 50 years should be removed, IMO. As for the grid, whatever, my opinion doesn't matter around here anyway.

Lakes aren't rivers. List lakes that aren't supposed to exist and they'll be removed. Otherwise they won't.

 

[Luckymoose]

Lakes aren't rivers. List lakes that aren't supposed to exist and they'll be removed. Otherwise they won't.

Lakes are on the same layer as your river data, so as such they are included in that, and it isn't too hard to spot the major problem lakes. Sobradinho is fairly striking in Brazil for example.

 

[Symphony D.]

Lakes are on the same layer as your river data, so as such they are included in that

No, they're not. They're two completely separate layers.

and it isn't too hard to spot the major problem lakes. Sobradinho is fairly striking in Brazil for example.

Difficulty and care are two different things. Frankly, I don't really care that much. You do. If you want to see a change, make the effort.

 

[Luckymoose]

Meh, no point offering advice then. I never expected you to change anything, simply based on who I am, just don't pass it off as excellence.

 

[Symphony D.]

Meh, no point offering advice then. I never expected you to change anything, simply based on who I am, just don't pass it off as excellence.

Please don't play some "woe is me" bullcrap card here. That's not what's happening, you know it, I know it, and everyone reading this knows it.

I already fixed Volta, Chad, Nasser, Aral, and can now easily fix Sobradinho based on your commentary. I already sent Dachs a patch based on the first four. It is not a question of me ignoring and failing to act upon your criticisms.

It is a question of you making a broad and legitimate criticism (some dam-generated lakes should not be present) and then failing to take it to the specifics necessary for it to be actionable.

Yes, there are lots of dam-based lakes present that should not be. Here's the rub: their impact is minor, and I have already invested a few dozen hours in this project, and I have other things to do with my life. I do not really care about them. I never claimed it was perfect.

You, on the other hand, appear to care about them, enough to take the time to point some of them out. Great! Do that, and then I'll fix them, as I already have.

I can't be bothered to do the leg-work of identifying them myself. If you can't be bothered, then it won't get done, and you also have no legitimate right to complain. So do it, or don't.

 

[Thlayli]

He's right, Lucky. You can present legitimate criticisms and then you can be an a-hole. So far you've done both.

 

[Luckymoose]

It takes both to get anything done around here.

 

[Luckymoose]

Has he posted the .psd? If so I'll do it myself.

 

[Symphony D.]

The .psd isn't currently for public consumption. What'd be easiest is to probably circle and label them (for ease of use in a public consumption version) on this map in Paint or whatever's handy. Sobradinho isn't fixed on that.

Aside: I like how only Liberia survived the apocalypse.

 

[Luckymoose]

I guess this is acceptable, however I'd prefer working on the .psd myself. What secrets are you hiding?

 

[Symphony D.]

All the things. Nothing is true. Everything is permitted.

 

[ChiefDesigner]

Moved to http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=123774&page=352&p=11080605.