American Warrant officers.

[otago]

Now when I served American officers were not
entitled to a salute, after all they were not officers
via Her Majesty.
But as the RSM mentioned(instructions from god)
courtesy meant we saluted all commissioned
officers, regardless if they were a bunch of tea
throwing rebels.

But one strange one is the American commissioned
warrant officers.
So a question, would a pimply commissioned warrant
officer expect to be saluted by a Brit. WO1 ?

The Brit WO1 holds the appointment of RSM,
which means he can catch bullets with his teeth,
and freeze lakes with one glance.

 

[illram]

Why do you write your posts like Haikus?

 

[Shadylookin]

pfft when you lose 2 wars to someone you should have to sink so low as to salute our privates ...that is the people of that rank not our actual....

 

[Arwon]

What is a warrant officer in the American context? Aren't they the seniormost NCOs like normal?

 

[Verge]

I briefly considered writing a constructive response to this, but that would be a waste considering this is just one of otago's attempts at a troll thread.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

I briefly considered writing a constructive response to this, but that would be a waste considering this is just one of otago's attempts at a troll thread.

It is? I found it rather tongue-in-cheek, but nothing out of the ordinary for a limey.

 

[Aegis]

Warrant officers are most likely not "pimply" teenagers. They're usually Sergeants or above, which means they are most likely age 22-30.

Aside from that, you should salute the rank, not the person.

 

[bhsup]

Things may have changed, but when I was in the Corps, you damned well saluted a Warrant Officer if you were enlisted. Though, my brother in the Army once told me theirs weren't? Never quite understood that.

Here is the rank structure, USMC style. Army has some differences, like E1 and E2 both just being Private and E3 being the PFC, etc.

Enlisted ranks
E1: Private
E2: Private First Class
E3: Lance Corporal
E4: Corporal
E5: Sergeant
E6: Staff Sergeant
E7: Gunnery Sergeant
E8: First Sergeant / Master Sergeant
E9: Sergeant Major / Master Gunnery Sergeant /Sergeant Major Of the Marine Corps

Warrant Officer Ranks
W1: Warrant Officer
CW2: Chief Warrant Officer 2
CW3: Chief Warrant Officer 3
CW4: Chief Warrant Officer 4 ( <<-- My brother )
CW5: Chief Warrant Officer 5 (this did not exist when I was in, it is relatively new)

Officer Ranks
O1: 2nd Lieutenant
O2: 1st Lieutenant
O3: Captain
O4: Major
O5: Lieutenant Colonel
O6: Colonel
O7: Brigadier General
O8: Major General (Below Lieutenant General because it used to be Sergeant Major General)
O9: Lieutenant General
O10: General
O11: General Of The Army (Does not exist in the USMC, highest Marine is the Commandant, which is an O10 - General)

EVERYBODY LIKES LAUGHING LIKE CHARLIE CHAPLIN!!

 

[warpus]

pfft when you lose 2 wars to someone you should have to sink so low as to salute our privates ...that is the people of that rank not our actual....

I don't think that people's privates should ever be saluted.

 

[skadistic]

I don't think that people's privates should ever be saluted.

Some should be worshiped.

 

[JollyRoger]

I think a one finger salute is appropriate.

 

[Stevenpfo]

In the Canadian army we don't salute anyone unless they are an officer. We would "check" our arms at our side for a CSM/RSM though.

Canadian army enlisted ranks:

Private (recruit)
Private (Basic)
Private (trained)
Corporal
Master Corporal
Sergeant
Warrant
Master Warrant Officer
Chief Warrant Officer

Pretty sure we're the same as this for officers:

Officer Ranks
O1: 2nd Lieutenant
O2: 1st Lieutenant
O3: Captain
O4: Major
O5: Lieutenant Colonel
O6: Colonel
O7: Brigadier General
O8: Major General (Below Lieutenant General because it used to be Sergeant Major General)
O9: Lieutenant General
O10: General

 

[otago]

Things may have changed, but when I was in the Corps, you damned well saluted a Warrant Officer if you were enlisted. Though, my brother in the Army once told me theirs weren't? Never quite understood that.

Here is the rank structure, USMC style. Army has some differences, like E1 and E2 both just being Private and E3 being the PFC, etc.

Enlisted ranks
E1: Private
E2: Private First Class
E3: Lance Corporal
E4: Corporal
E5: Sergeant
E6: Staff Sergeant
E7: Gunnery Sergeant
E8: First Sergeant / Master Sergeant
E9: Sergeant Major / Master Gunnery Sergeant /Sergeant Major Of the Marine Corps

Warrant Officer Ranks
W1: Warrant Officer
CW2: Chief Warrant Officer 2
CW3: Chief Warrant Officer 3
CW4: Chief Warrant Officer 4 ( <<-- My brother )
CW5: Chief Warrant Officer 5 (this did not exist when I was

The Brits and us are the same as the US marines
except no PFC, our staff/colour sargeants would
be your E7s.
Our warrant officers do not get saluted(they work
for a living) and WO1 is the top.
A rank of WO1 is often appointed to be the Regimental
Sargeant Major known as Sir by we peasants lower
in the other ranks.There is a Sargeants and Warrant
officers mess.
Best rank, Corporal, all the fun, none of the admin.
Oh, and our WO2s and WO1s would be rated at
E8 and E9.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

I don't think that people's privates should ever be saluted.

Some should be worshiped.

I think a one finger salute is appropriate.

No, two is best. Three and you've got a problem, one and you're in jail. Five is out right.

 

[MobBoss]

Now when I served American officers were not
entitled to a salute, after all they were not officers
via Her Majesty.

US Soldiers are instructed to salute officers from other nations just like they salute US officers. If the brits want to be snobby, then /oh well.

But one strange one is the American commissioned
warrant officers.
So a question, would a pimply commissioned warrant
officer expect to be saluted by a Brit. WO1 ?

American warrant officers also have ranks of WO1 through CW5. I dont think an American WO1 would expect to be saluted by a british officer of equal rank. An american warrant officer of higher rank may however.

The Brit WO1 holds the appointment of RSM,
which means he can catch bullets with his teeth,
and freeze lakes with one glance.

Yeah, whatever. Well, the American Warrant officer has WOPA - the Warrant Officer Protection Agency. And if you dont know about that - well I cant tell you under pain of death.

 

[bhsup]

Hey MobBoss, you have any idea what my brother may have been talking about regarding Army WOs not being saluted? Mind you, this was in the 80s, and I guess it may have changed, but it struck me as weird as hell then.

 

[Riffraff]

Oh man, I remember the first months of military service where I had to salute every little seargant I happened to pass. It sounds terrible and really, it was...

 

[Arwon]

Wait, non-commissioned people get saluted in the US defence forces?

How odd.

 

[MobBoss]

Hey MobBoss, you have any idea what my brother may have been talking about regarding Army WOs not being saluted? Mind you, this was in the 80s, and I guess it may have changed, but it struck me as weird as hell then.

Yeah, a lot of Warrants like to cultivate the image of being the laid back style officer - the enlisted guys friend. A lot of Warrants I know will tell enlisted to not salute them even though we are required to by regulation.

Bottom line, Warrants are officers and are due the same respect given Commissioned officers, however, Warrant officer fields are technical in nature, and they are officer ranks that dont lead troops.

I have a lot of experience with warrants as I spent more than a few years in an Aviation Battalion and then an Aviation Brigade where the majority of pilots are indeed warrants. They tend to view themselves as 'the animal house' type of officers - hard working and hard partying. Great guys to play poker with.

Wait, non-commissioned people get saluted in the US defence forces?

How odd.

Only in a couple of specific circumstances. Btw, Warrants are not non-commissioned officers. NCOs are enlisted ranks. Do NCOs get saluted in the Army? Not normally, but there are a few exceptions.

 

[Patroklos]

So a question, would a pimply commissioned warrant
officer expect to be saluted by a Brit. WO1

As has been mentioned, warrant officers are by their very nature usually old. In the Navy you have to be a Chief to apply, which means yo alreay have 12-14 years in normally.

Warrant officers are officers, they get saluted. However, officially the highest warrant officer rank is junior to the O-1. While warrants might play the game of official respect to junior officers per regulation, people know (or should know) to listen to the warrants.

Like MobBoss said in the Army, in the Navy warrants are also linked to a specfic rate. That means as good as they are at what they do but they tend to be a jack of one trade, so their "seniority" in years means . .. .. .. . to an O-3 or above because by that time an officer has rounded out his skills in everything. But just like the chief, the warrant is the subject matter expert.

I like warrants, they are usually good guys.

And when I was in Faslane I got saluted by the RN ratings. Being on an RN naval base is like visiting your old senial grandfather. He used to be great, but now he is just a shadow of his former self. He still gets respect though, from his past greatness.