Blue Monkey
Archon Without Portfolio
So as an Indian civ, I build mathas instead of schools, and schools lead to libraries, but Indians can't build libraries since we don't build their prereq. 
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I'm not at home at the moment, so can't check which improvements they get, but Indian civs get a whole different set of +50% science improvements - at the same point that other civs get schools, libraries, academies and universities. It includes citrasalas - can't remember exactly, but check the pedia entry for the civs and the unique buildings they can build.So as an Indian civ, I build mathas instead of schools, and schools lead to libraries, but Indians can't build libraries since we don't build their prereq.
The Indian civs get a unique government (that one you did an icon for), which is available when "generic tech tree" civs get Empire. I'll have to update the civilopedia entry, so sorry about that.
Now that I'm home, I'll explain the Indian science improvements.
With writing, they get the matha; +50% science output, no upkeep cost (the school everyone else gets costs 1 gold per turn).
The gosthi (available with literature) allows +50% science output and one happy face (the library everyone else gets just has the science output increase). The only negative thing for the Indian civs here is that they cannot build the Great Library.
The citrasala that comes with education allows the +50% science output and reduces war weariness; other civs get the academy with just the science output increase.
Finally, in era four, scholasticism leads to the hall of study for Indian civs; this time, it purely matches the +50% science output increase that the other civs get when they build the university.
With writing, they get the matha; +50% science output, no upkeep cost (the school everyone else gets costs 1 gold per turn).
The gosthi (available with literature) allows +50% science output and one happy face (the library everyone else gets just has the science output increase). The only negative thing for the Indian civs here is that they cannot build the Great Library.
The citrasala that comes with education allows the +50% science output and reduces war weariness; other civs get the academy with just the science output increase.
Finally, in era four, scholasticism leads to the hall of study for Indian civs; this time, it purely matches the +50% science output increase that the other civs get when they build the university.
Tank_Guy#3
Lion of Lehistan
Fixed the Varangian Guard wonder, but this led into another problem, this time when the unit spawns I get another error, something like this (something because I forgot my little removable HD at home, I stored the error pic on that):
I forget the whole error message, but I do remember this: ANIMNAME_PRTO_Varangian_Guardsman (pretty sure about this line, but for 100% certainty I will check back at home and report later, when I get home at 9:30 tonight).
(This error message occured after fixing the wonder error. And I changed the PediaIcon entry for the Varangian Guard wonder from Varangian_Guardsman to Varangian_Guard, following the exact path mentioned in the error).
I forget the whole error message, but I do remember this: ANIMNAME_PRTO_Varangian_Guardsman (pretty sure about this line, but for 100% certainty I will check back at home and report later, when I get home at 9:30 tonight).
(This error message occured after fixing the wonder error. And I changed the PediaIcon entry for the Varangian Guard wonder from Varangian_Guardsman to Varangian_Guard, following the exact path mentioned in the error).
BTW, if I spelled anything wrong, that is my fault, and not what the computer generated as an error message.
Ares de Borg
Norman Knight
OMG, I knew what you posted before I opened the thread!
Well, looks like we're getting old.
Blue Monkey
Archon Without Portfolio
In exchange for Empire they get a gov't with high war weariness - not a fair trade, especially when they have to go up against Carthage, Goths, etc. EDIT: I withdraw this comment,. I misread the 'pedia.
So basically in exchange for a happy face & a little coin they get to not build one of the key GWs. Double not fair.
Aww, I don't know; instead of competing for that wonder, they get lots of little bits and pieces IMHO. What do other people think?
Thanks for the info on the Varangian guardsman; I'll fix that. I'll also see if I can do a new Varangian guard. Swap it you for that new terrain, Ares
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Blue Monkey
Archon Without Portfolio
My concern is about the research race. There's little chance to pull ahead with this set up. Would it be reasonable for them to get a slight increase in the rate these improvements provide to compensate?
Edit: Maybe I'm missing their compensatory advantages, but it seems like the Indians actually have some severe disadvantages. The Empire/Mahajanapada thing is an example. If a non-Indian and an Indian civ were to follow an identical research path the Indian would have to research Admin plus Religion, Drama, Philosophy, and Currency. Since none of the Indian civs have the Stable attribute there's going to be the anarchic period in addition to 20-30 turns research lag at the best before getting access to the new gov't. They can end up in a very crippled position at this point.
Everyone has the same research path to get to the flavour government in era two. Don't forget that the Great Library can only be built by one civilization in the game, so any player going for it can't guarentee they're going to get it. The Mahajanapada government is almost identical to the Republic (as are the other flavour governments available at this point); their advantage is a greater chance of assimilation, but I'm not sure quite how much an advantage that is!!
I really do appreciate and respect your opinion, but I'd also be interested in seeing what other people say as well - to get a broader viewpoint. If it was a big issue (in terms of the Great Library), we could look at Nalanda University being available around this time, either as a "2 free advances" or a Great Library clone - but would this make it too unbalanced the other way (i.e. 3 Indian civs - at the most - competing for a wonder that has the same effect as another wonder every other civ competes for)? I wouldn't want to make the Great Library not have the library as a pre-requisite, as people will pre-build it.
Tank_Guy#3
Lion of Lehistan
Tank Guy - Did that error look like this?:
that's what I got. Hope it helps, Rob.
Indeed it is. Sorry I didn't post mine, tons of things are springing up. It also probably doesn't help that all of the logic for my VB assignment was screwed up and I had to start over. Speaking of which I should be working on it and not posting on CFC.
Another possibility is to remove the Great Library from open play and make it available to one civ only (Persia - but renamed?) as part of their special gameplay.
Having a go at it now as the Anglo-Saxons and all seems well. Apart from the fact that the Byzantines have just invaded and captured my capital...
Being stuck on a peninsula without either wood or copper isn't very good, but I suppose that's the way it goes. Only one question so far: if they are Anglo-Saxons, why the German cities? Also, it would be very, very useful to have pedia entries for governments, because it's rather inconvenient not knowing what their various advantages are.
Being stuck on a peninsula without either wood or copper isn't very good, but I suppose that's the way it goes. Only one question so far: if they are Anglo-Saxons, why the German cities? Also, it would be very, very useful to have pedia entries for governments, because it's rather inconvenient not knowing what their various advantages are.
If you go down the only-1-race-can-build-The-Great-Library, then at least have it available to the Egyptian or Greek Civs. It was in Alexandria wasn't it?
Oh, and the Byzantines are dead and me and the Iceni are warring upon the Mauryans. I've carved a hole right down the middle of their Empire bee-lining towards their Capital, leaving the North for the Iceni while I take the south. I've captured 2 cities and destroyed one, the Iceni have captured 1 or 2 too.
Oh, and the Byzantines are dead and me and the Iceni are warring upon the Mauryans. I've carved a hole right down the middle of their Empire bee-lining towards their Capital, leaving the North for the Iceni while I take the south. I've captured 2 cities and destroyed one, the Iceni have captured 1 or 2 too.
RedAlert
Love one another
How be this? (Indian 4th era)
Stormrage
Ever Present Taskmaster
Wow..
.. wow..
*faints*
.. wow..
*faints*
Sword_Of_Geddon
Arbiter of the Sword
Looks great! I prefer your old Civ-like style to your new one though. Just being honest here. Maybe there was no other way to do India correctly though, but it looks fantastic!....
That would be perfect for what I need. Thank-you RedAlert!! Are you going to post your India work as a complete set?
Stormrage
Ever Present Taskmaster
Yah, I prefer the old style too, but this is great too!
Virote_Considon
The Great Dictator
I think the new style is great!
These Indian cities are amazing
These Indian cities are amazing
