Anti-Obama GI's Afghan Orders Revoked

[Death_Machine]

I love it that you completely ignored the argument in his post and chose only to comment about that part. Must have been a good argument.

Actually, I thought the whole thing was garbage which is why I responded in the manner that I did.

Death Machine, do you believe Barrack Obama was born in the US? I'm not asking about proof, I'm asking whether you believe it or not.

At first I thought he was, but I changed my mind when I saw how much of his documentation has not been released. Long form birth certificate, college records, passport.................. none of it released. It makes me wonder what there is to hide if none of it is released.

The Hawaii Homeland program is a program for indigenous Hawaiians. The state would prefer (though it does not absolutely require) a long form birth certificate in that case as it shows more detail to help verify indigenous status. The form that is on the internet is valid for every other purpose in Hawaii where you would need a birth certificate. It is likely very similar to what you would receive from your own state if you went to the records office and requested a copy of your birth certificate.

I understand the purpose of why Hawaii demands the long form. Don't you think the country deserves the same clarity for the presidency? I actually had to obtain my birth certificate within the last 2 years & mine is "long form".

It's really quite sad how many AMERICA #1 YA! people don't actually have a clue what American citizenship is. It's like you yourself don't even have a passport / have never even applied for one. It's as if you think your standards are better than the 50 state election board's + DC's requirements for proving citizenship. It's as if you think your standards are more valid than the US Department of State.

Ok smart guy, just keep watching the nightly news, they will tell you what to think. My standard is the same as the election boards, only I'm asking for proof while they have been derelict in their duties.

Would you really want someone that ******** fighting alongside you?

Why not, I've got you posting alongside me.

********? That's the story of the National Guard and Reserves.

That is a cheap shot & a load of crap all at once. After my active duty time was done I served with 2 reserve units & both of them were very squared away.

If the US ever does come under attack, I wish all our brave defenders here in the US the best of luck. I'll even join them to help repel the invaders.

OMFG, talk about somebody I wouldn't want to be in a foxhole with. Your biggest problem in the military would be getting fragged.

A. Not in Georgia, but in Washington State. Not sure where you got Georgia from, since WA is in my information, and I have also been pretty clear where I live.

Mobby, looks like the guy is thinking about me even when I don't post for a week.

This suit was dismissed.

Of course it was. The officer's orders were revoked, thus he lost his standing to challenge the "unlawful order". Just like I said back at the start of this thread.


^all
I think the longer this is allowed to linger the more of a liability it becomes. Why is all this information unreleased? Something simply is not right here.

 

[civ_king]

I don't know which is worse, Candle being a Democrat and try to sabotage the GOP internally or that he might actually believe what he is saying

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Actually, I thought the whole thing was garbage which is why I responded in the manner that I did.

Oh I see, is that how debating works these days. And if it was garbage wouldn't it be simple to refute it? Silly Oda Nobunaga, using arguments himself and stuff to found his point. Good ones to it seems if all you can come up with is: it's garbage.

At first I thought he was, but I changed my mind when I saw how much of his documentation has not been released.

You're a Birther?

I'm sorry to hear that

 

[Death_Machine]

Oh I see, is that how debating works these days. And if it was garbage wouldn't it be simple to refute it? Silly Oda Nobunaga, using arguments himself and stuff to found his point. Good ones to it seems if all you can come up with is: it's garbage.
You're a Birther?

I'm sorry to hear that

1. Ok, just for you I'll give it a response.
2. Yes, I have become a "birther". There is absolutely no reason for all of this secrecy of his records unless there is something to hide.

Yeah.
I also remember a difference between objectors who simply refused to go, and a grade-a wannabe traitor who first volunteer to go, then instead of revoking order (as a sane person who changed their mind would), when given orders to do exactly what he volunteered for sue the government claiming the president is not a legitimate commander.

If he had simply refused an order to deploy based on this or that moral belief...I could (sort of) accept that as legitimate, although I would expect the moral belief in question to be probed at great length (and possibly proper punishment to be handled).

What he's doing here is infinitely worse, and comparing the two is just idiotic politicking.

1. I submit to you that the act of the officer was an act of bravery by a patriot & not those of a "wannabe traitor". Because the political process is so broken down and the news media so biased and inept it takes patriots to stand up to the machine. Standing up knowing full well that their actions could result in punitive reprisal.

Furthermore, once orders are cut the subject of those orders has no right to revoke their own orders.

2. Those that refuse orders to deploy based on some moral belief are cowards. Every person who enlists in the armed forces agrees (in essence) to become a piece of government property for the duration of their enlistment. When one volunteers to serve in the military they do so knowing full well that there exists the possibility that they will be sent somewhere they don't want to be or involved in an operation in which they do not believe. They are cowards who renege on the premise of their enlistment.

3. In conclusion, the officer wishing to have proof that the POTUS is in fact legally qualified to issue orders is doing his country a service while the contentious objector is a coward.

What happened to the transparency this administration promised?

 

[Bill3000]

Long form birth certificate, college records, passport.................. none of it released. It makes me wonder what there is to hide if none of it is released.

How on earth would college records and passport prove his citizenship or lack thereof? As for the long form, why isn't the word of Hawaiian government officials who have seen the form itself good enough for you?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

1. Ok, just for you I'll give it a response.
2. Yes, I have become a "birther". There is absolutely no reason for all of this secrecy of his records unless there is something to hide.

1. Great! Thanks
2. In light of the general atmosphere, I'll refrain from commenting on that any further than I already did in the ' other' thread.

 

[Death_Machine]

How on earth would college records and passport prove his citizenship or lack thereof? As for the long form, why isn't the word of Hawaiian government officials good enough for you?

Answer to question #1: paper trail.

Answer to question #2: Obama's presidential campaign released to select news organizations only what is known as a "certification of live birth," a document obtainable in Hawaii in 1961 by Americans actually born outside the country.

Why would I believe the government officials instead of Obama's paternal grandmother who claims to have been at his birth in Kenya?

 

[Bill3000]

Answer to question #1: paper trail.

Answer to question #2: Obama's presidential campaign released to select news organizations only what is known as a "certification of live birth," a document obtainable in Hawaii in 1961 by Americans actually born outside the country.

Why would I believe the government officials instead of Obama's paternal grandmother who claims to have been at his birth in Kenya?

Nope.

http://www.ocweekly.com/2009-06-18/news/orly-taitz/1

The Pakistan “travel ban” is a complete fabrication based on zero evidence and completely contradicted by State Department records and a 1981 New York Times article. The full transcript from Obama’s grandmother shows that she never said he was born in Kenya—in fact, she repeatedly said he was born in Hawaii. The law allowing foreign-born children to obtain Hawaiian COLBs didn’t exist until 20 years after Obama was born, while Obama’s published COLB says his birth information was recorded four days after his birth in 1961.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Anyone have the full transcript from dear granny?

 

[Death_Machine]

Nope.

http://www.ocweekly.com/2009-06-18/news/orly-taitz/1

Well, the quote wasn't on page one, so forgive me for not reading through the whole of the local paper.

Anyone have the full transcript from dear granny?

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=96940

Read if you want to...........

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Can't find it, where is it?

 

[Death_Machine]

^ They had to rely on the affidavit because when Jerome Corsi tried to leave Kenya after the interview he was detained and it was made clear that he wasn't welcome back.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

So there is no full transcript, and we have to take someone's word for it. And Bill really "did not have sex with that woman"

Damning evidence indeed. I can see why you dismiss the many pieces of evidence contradicting it.

 

[Bill3000]

^ They had to rely on the affidavit because when Jerome Corsi tried to leave Kenya after the interview he was detained and it was made clear that he wasn't welcome back.

Nope, try again!

Here's the audio.

MCRAE: Could I ask her about his actual birthplace? I would like to see his birthplace when I come to Kenya in December. Was she present when he was born in Kenya?

OGOMBE: Yes. She says, yes, she was, she was present when Obama was born.

MCRAE: When I come in December. I would like to come by the place, the hospital, where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?

OGOMBE: No, Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in America.

MCRAE: Whereabouts was he born? I thought he was born in Kenya.

OGOMBE: No, he was born in America, not in Mombasa.

MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I was going to go by and see where he was born.

OGOMBE: Hawaii. Hawaii. Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii. In the state of Hawaii, where his father was also learning, there. The state of Hawaii.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Nope, try again!

Here's the audio.

MCRAE: Could I ask her about his actual birthplace? I would like to see his birthplace when I come to Kenya in December. Was she present when he was born in Kenya?

OGOMBE: Yes. She says, yes, she was, she was present when Obama was born.

MCRAE: When I come in December. I would like to come by the place, the hospital, where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?

OGOMBE: No, Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in America.

MCRAE: Whereabouts was he born? I thought he was born in Kenya.

OGOMBE: No, he was born in America, not in Mombasa.

MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I was going to go by and see where he was born.

OGOMBE: Hawaii. Hawaii. Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii. In the state of Hawaii, where his father was also learning, there. The state of Hawaii.

Keyyy-riced. Leading the witness much? This gets more precious by the minute.

 

[Cutlass]

1. Ok, just for you I'll give it a response.
2. Yes, I have become a "birther". There is absolutely no reason for all of this secrecy of his records unless there is something to hide.

There is zero reason behind this. Every piece of information has been released and vetted. Some people simply refuse to accept the truth. There were 100s of Republican elected officials that had a legal responsibility to make certain Obama was a legit candidate. Not one of them said he wasn't. There were many Democratic elected officials with the same responsibility, and many of them supported Hillary. So what you are saying is that you think that 100s of people who had the responsibility, the opportunity, and the motive, to stop Obama all chose not to? That's

1. I submit to you that the act of the officer was an act of bravery by a patriot & not those of a "wannabe traitor". Because the political process is so broken down and the news media so biased and inept it takes patriots to stand up to the machine. Standing up knowing full well that their actions could result in punitive reprisal.

Furthermore, once orders are cut the subject of those orders has no right to revoke their own orders.

2. Those that refuse orders to deploy based on some moral belief are cowards. Every person who enlists in the armed forces agrees (in essence) to become a piece of government property for the duration of their enlistment. When one volunteers to serve in the military they do so knowing full well that there exists the possibility that they will be sent somewhere they don't want to be or involved in an operation in which they do not believe. They are cowards who renege on the premise of their enlistment.

3. In conclusion, the officer wishing to have proof that the POTUS is in fact legally qualified to issue orders is doing his country a service while the contentious objector is a coward.

What happened to the transparency this administration promised?

That officer is a traitor and a racist and belongs in prison. End of story.

 

[Phlegmak]

There is zero reason behind this. Every piece of information has been released and vetted. Some people simply refuse to accept the truth. There were 100s of Republican elected officials that had a legal responsibility to make certain Obama was a legit candidate. Not one of them said he wasn't. There were many Democratic elected officials with the same responsibility, and many of them supported Hillary. So what you are saying is that you think that 100s of people who had the responsibility, the opportunity, and the motive, to stop Obama all chose not to? That's

No amount of proof is sufficient, unfortunately.

 

[Cutlass]

No amount of proof is sufficient, unfortunately.

True. Which is why no further proof should be offered. Let them stew in their own bile. And beef up the Secret Service.

 

[JollyRoger]

Answer to question #2: Obama's presidential campaign released to select news organizations only what is known as a "certification of live birth," a document obtainable in Hawaii in 1961 by Americans actually born outside the country.

Actually it was available for open inspection at his campaign headquarters. Even World Nut Daily got a chance to inspect it. And a non-American would have his non-American place of birth listed on the document.

Why would I believe the government officials instead of Obama's paternal grandmother who claims to have been at his birth in Kenya?

Actually it was his father's stepmom and the entire interview indicates she was talking about Obama's father. She retracts the misunderstanding they had about her talking about Obama.

 

[.Shane.]

Why do you guys argue w/ birthers? If the birth certificate fell down from heaven as a golden tablet and crushed Alan Keyes they'd still demand that Obama release the "real document".