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AntiAmericanism

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Phlegmak, Sep 30, 2008.

  1. .Shane.

    .Shane. Take it like a voter Retired Moderator

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    ROFL, yes, that would be nice. :) Pair it w/ the aforementioned clown makeup and I think we'd have a winner.
     
  2. Ziggy Stardust

    Ziggy Stardust New Englander

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    That's ok. I know Eco :)
    I did not make it. Just one of the first results for "crying eagle".
     
  3. Ecofarm

    Ecofarm Deity

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    My first attempt at googling "emo eagle" landed me at a commentary on Donovan McNabb.

    Still looking...
     
  4. Ziggy Stardust

    Ziggy Stardust New Englander

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    We do have an artwork department ... But they're gone today on some 3D course.

    So .. that was pretty useless information.
     
  5. Dubai Vol

    Dubai Vol King

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    Income taxes, no. All taxes taken together, you might be surprised.

    Figure already 15.3% for FICA and Medicare, right off the top of your check. (Your employer pays an amount equal to what you pay, so in effect you are paying it, because your company could give it to you if it didn't have to give it to the gov't.

    Then sales tax on everything you buy. That runs 10% or near it many places. State income tax, unemployment insurance tax, excise taxes, sin taxes, tax on your electric bill, your phone bill, and on and on. Tax on gasoline. Tax on your car. Property taxe, which you pay even if you rent. I would be surprised if you sat down and figured it to be less than 30%, for yourself or for most people, and we haven't even discussed Federal income tax yet!

    While you're at it, add in your health insurance premium, plus what your employer pays towards that. That comes to an average $1200 a MONTH for families. If you had national health care you would not be paying that.

    Americans pay twice as much per person for health care as any industrialized country, (17% of GDP) and don't get what they pay for. You'll find that out soon enough.
     
  6. Ecofarm

    Ecofarm Deity

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    Why not throw in all business and corporate taxes? You could really inflate the number that way. Going half-way with BS is just lazy.
    Nowhere is 10%. Like 3 states are at 9%. Average is 6-7% (including average county and city taxes).

    Also note, basic stuff (unprocessed food, medicine, clothing etc are usually not subject to state sales tax). You are so far from intellectual honesty here, you can't even see land.

    http://workforcesecurity.doleta.gov/unemploy/uitaxtopic.asp

    http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/tax_stru.html
    Oh yea, that affects everyone. wth?
    See above.
    This hardly represents a sizable tax on total income. Exemptions, incentives, etc...
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    http://www.largo.com/egov/docs/1180107260999.htm
    Again note: this is not a tax on all of your income, just your utilities.
    How is this a tax??
    How is this a tax??
    That's excise tax. You already said that.
    That's sales tax, you already said that.
    Again, that is not a tax on your entire income. Just your property.
    You should be surprised, but your bogus math tells you otherwise. You MIGHT be near 5% right now, if you are a heavy drinker and smoker, drive a gas-guzzler and own/rent a big house.
    And if you make less than $32K/year (the vast majority of CFC), you pay a whopping 15% and get exemptions to lower that. And you only pay 10% on the first $8k of it.
    Why is this a tax? Perhaps we should add "stash maintenance" as a tax too?
    Oh, we would be paying way more. Don't kid yourself, Mr. I'm-aware-of-hidden-taxes.
    Yea yea, sure. Michael Moore FTW.


    Look, just because you went the way of Haliburton is no reason to be a hack. Can't we just get an emo-eagle instead of this wad of fake math?

    I've got a deal for you. Even though we all know that your employer moved to Dubai and you followed in order to keep your job, you can keep pretending that you went over there without a job and just found one (based on principle). In return, you stop trying to be an economist.
     
  7. Bast

    Bast Protector of Cats

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    It's jealousy. America is a great country that's why.
     
  8. Ziggy Stardust

    Ziggy Stardust New Englander

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  9. Riffraff

    Riffraff Deity

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    If jealousy would be the reason, then why has anti-americanism skyrocketed in the last years?
     
  10. Ziggy Stardust

    Ziggy Stardust New Englander

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    I don't know but it's true. I would really love to live in a country where 83% of the population doesn't trust me. :(
     
  11. jessiecat

    jessiecat Divine Monarch

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    It's a great country but not the greatest country. Just one of them. And no, it's not jealousy. Try again.:rolleyes:
     
  12. Bast

    Bast Protector of Cats

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    It's the greatest country in the world right now. And I'm not going to try again, I can see the green-eyed monster all the way from here. :rolleyes:
     
  13. Ecofarm

    Ecofarm Deity

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    Ok, which one is greatest? And I mean today.
     
  14. Erik Mesoy

    Erik Mesoy Core Tester / Intern

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    You're just saying that because you're jealous of his superior arguments. :mischief:
     
  15. Arwon

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    None of them. They're all just bits of dirt and imaginary abstractions. Being proud of being from your country is like being proud of being born without hereditary kidney problems. It's accidents of birth.
     
  16. jessiecat

    jessiecat Divine Monarch

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    My hero.:king::love::love::love:
     
  17. Bast

    Bast Protector of Cats

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    No I think a lot of people are lying about the reasons why they hate America. And these lies, you can't prove unless if you can read their minds. So I won't bother.

    Well I'm not from America. It's not about being proud but being in awe and wanting to be a part of it. I've always said that I want to study in the US. Its universities - among other things - are the best in the world. It's not just pride for the sake of it.
     
  18. Arwon

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    Of course. There's good things on that bit of dirt. I lived there for two years, there's a lot of stuff I liked a lot and people I miss greatly. But so what? It's still just a bit of dirt and a bunch of people on that dirt imagining they're all tied together by bits of paper, dead white guys and colours on a bit of cloth.

    The worst thing is when people get so hepped-up about their bit of dirt and its symbols that they ignore all the bad things that get done on that bit of dirt and because of those imaginary symbols, because other bits of dirt and other random symbols are sometimes just as bad or worse.
     
  19. Ecofarm

    Ecofarm Deity

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    That is an absolute load of crap. I've done alot, my share at least, to help make this country as great as it is. I have every right to be proud of my and everyone else's accomplishments.

    My votes, taxes paid, service in the military, employment, education and giving back to the community all help make this country what it is today and none of those things are accidents of birth. Before me, my father did the same and before him another.

    Just because some people cannot pull their country out of the crapper is no reason to belittle or discredit those who succeed in building the greatest nation.

    Your argument presumes that the people have nothing to do with the country. While that might hold true in totalitarian regimes, it is not the case in the US. The US is the result of each of our hard work and dedication to a prosperous future. Take your "the people have nothing to do with the country" crap somewhere else. A magic faery did not apear and start handing out wishes. We worked hard and sacrificed alot to get where we are. Respect it.
     
  20. CodeMasterMike

    CodeMasterMike Chieftain

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    I dont think its jealousy, when it comes to AntiAmericanism that exists today.
    When you see the flagburners on tv screaming and stomping, I dont think they doing it because they are jeallous of Americans.

    Saying its jealousy, would be saying that all the angry people who protested against Denmark, are all jeallous of Denmark, because they can make obscure jokes about their Profet.

    I for once think its because of the american arrogance. Saying things like "US is the only free country" (as a example), acting like a world police and trying to impose their views on other countries, is what pissing people off the most.
     

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