AntiAmericanism

[Fayadi]

I would have to agree with Ecofarm. Your logic is running smoothly.

I am personally not sure if Dubai intends it to mean that way. Because I am having a hard time believing somebody could produce a crackpot theory such as "Light Casualties = more nationalism". How about "wonderful history = more nationalism"?

 

[Desmond Hawkins]

@Ecofarm. Your stats show that the UK and France lost a proportion of their population that is between 3 and 4 times as much as the US. Italy is similar. Not only that, but their physical damage was much greater. The US was definitely much better off.

That being said, UK and France were far better off than Germany, the Soviet Union, and Poland.

I do understand your nationalism point though, and it is probably fairly valid. At least there is a correlation. Just being nitpicky.

 

[Ecofarm]

@Ecofarm. Your stats show that the UK and France lost a proportion of their population that is between 3 and 4 times as much as the US. Italy is similar. Not only that, but their physical damage was much greater. The US was definitely much better off.

That being said, UK and France were far better off than Germany, the Soviet Union, and Poland.

I do understand your nationalism point though, and it is probably fairly valid. Just being nitpicky. :tongue:

Total numbers are all ~400k. Except Russia (not europe), and Germany (a true case, the only, of casualities = less nationalism today correlation). I guess if you base the theory on Germany alone and count that as Europe vs. US, it makes sense?

 

[Marla_Singer]

I'm French, and thus necessarily anti-american.

The thing I passionately hate about the US is their freedom. I'm desperately jealous the US turned out as the greatest achievement of the Human kind. I will never admit that you are the greatest, and as I can't accept it, I've decided to hate you. Death to America ! Death to America !

 

[Ecofarm]

So you did surrender during those "youth riots". I knew it.

 

[Marla_Singer]

@Ecofarm. Your stats show that the UK and France lost a proportion of their population that is between 3 and 4 times as much as the US. Italy is similar. Not only that, but their physical damage was much greater. The US was definitely much better off.

That being said, UK and France were far better off than Germany, the Soviet Union, and Poland.

Don't forget France was devastated after WW1, the economy in ashes, the families slaughtered, the demography rapidly declining.

To the other guy who mentionned Spain, it's silly to consider Spain "hasn't been harmed" by ww2... the country was just destroyed by a bloody civil war!

 

[C~G]

Because of this thread and it's content of "we're the best" crap my anti-american rating has gone up a notch, yet again.
Even though the chest beating is always kind of self-parody.

Get your head out of your asses dudes.
US is on the same level as most western countries.
Both in positives and negatives.

Of course, "just so jealous".

 

[Godwynn]

Love it or leave it and shut up.

Yeah, someone should have told those Negroes in the 60's to love it or leave it!

 

[BakingTheArt]

Half the time we deserve it.

 

[Arwon]

It's not nationalism Dubai is talking about, because nationalism arises in all sorts of conditions, but rather it's American exceptionalism. And he's exactly right on that score.

 

[Arwon]

Don't forget France was devastated after WW1, the economy in ashes, the families slaughtered, the demography rapidly declining.

To the other guy who mentionned Spain, it's silly to consider Spain "hasn't been harmed" by ww2... the country was just destroyed by a bloody civil war!

Except the statistics were "deaths as a percentage of 1939 population" so the base figure actually excludes the civil war. Check out the stats - 4500 military deaths and no civilian deaths.

The 4500 military deaths are Falangist volunteer deaths on the Eastern front. I'm surprised they don't count the Republican exiles caught up in either the German or Soviet camps and gulags as civilian deaths.

 

[Verbose]

It's not nationalism Dubai is talking about, because nationalism arises in all sorts of conditions, but rather it's American exceptionalism. And he's exactly right on that score.

The whole "House on the hill", "God's own country", "Manifest destiny" etc., the US as a place somehow not touched by the basic corruption and uselessness of the rest of the world.

 

[Ecofarm]

It's not nationalism Dubai is talking about, because nationalism arises in all sorts of conditions, but rather it's American exceptionalism. And he's exactly right on that score.

But what is the exception? US 400k UK 400k France 400k Italy 400k MAny very few Germany

Obviously, the US suffered far less casualities and thus acts differently. Ok/

 

[philippe]

But what is the exception? US 400k UK 400k France 400k Italy 400k MAny very few Germany

Obviously, the US suffered far less casualities and thus acts differently. Ok/

yeah, becuase, an occupation of 4 years is something trivial, just as an razing (i didn't see you adress my point, can you name a few important american cities that got razed? Oh wait, you can't) percentage of civilian deaths vs military deaths. (there is a difference between a guy dieing for his country and a 5 year old being gassed)

Hey, the Warsaw ghetto, that was all party and fun, right?

and let's not even mention the differing population and scale.

 

[philippe]

how very convienent that you didn't use this chart, anq erased data from your image.

Hackjob

i'll say it again:

HACKJOB

be very proud, ecofarm.

 

[DNK]

The reason I mention criteria is because there's too many ways to rank the countries of the world and if you want to say the greatest then you've got to use some sort of criteria.

Well ok since you want me to name countries here's the top five countries in the world for HDI, which the UN uses to measure both the economic and social wellbeing of countries:

1. Iceland
2. Norway
3. Australia
4. Canada
5. Ireland

Copout, but lets go with it.

1. brrr
2. brrr
3. the grass is venomous
4. brrr
5. well, I like Irish chicks, so I'll give you that one.

For me?
1. USA
2. France
3. Ireland, why not?
4. Canada
5. Germany maybe?

 

[DNK]

I'm French, and thus necessarily anti-american.

The thing I passionately hate about the US is their freedom. I'm desperately jealous the US turned out as the greatest achievement of the Human kind. I will never admit that you are the greatest, and as I can't accept it, I've decided to hate you. Death to America ! Death to America !

Did I mention my #2 pick excludes Paris? Living in a depressing crapbucket like that, such bitterness is to be expected

 

[Marla_Singer]

Paris is often said to be the most beautiful city in the world, and represents with NYC the two jewel cities of western civilization.

The only sad thing about Paris is that the authorities decided to communicate so bad about it, making people forget that Paris is also a powerhouse of world's economy, the 2nd city hosting the most Global 500 companies headquarters in the world.

 

[Desmond Hawkins]

Total numbers are all ~400k.

I just feel proportions are more important. Polands 6 million or so dead was more devastating to the country than Germany's.

Except Russia (not europe), and Germany (a true case, the only, of casualities = less nationalism today correlation). I guess if you base the theory on Germany alone and count that as Europe vs. US, it makes sense?

I think Germany's guilt factor affects it. The US and Russians feel they did a good thing for humanity. Hell, it might be the only thing the Russians are truly proud of besides Gagarin.

Don't forget France was devastated after WW1, the economy in ashes, the families slaughtered, the demography rapidly declining.

To the other guy who mentionned Spain, it's silly to consider Spain "hasn't been harmed" by ww2... the country was just destroyed by a bloody civil war!

France's insecurity even existed before WWI. Few peoples were obsessed with demographics the way the French were. They were acutely aware that they hadn't grown in a hundred years.

As for Spain, I would agree. In some ways Spain was the opening act before the main show.

 

[Shekwan]

Copout, but lets go with it.

1. brrr
2. brrr
3. the grass is venomous
4. brrr
5. well, I like Irish chicks, so I'll give you that one.

For me?
1. USA
2. France
3. Ireland, why not?
4. Canada
5. Germany maybe?

Yeah I mean everyone has their personal favourites for whaever reason but I was just saying that statistically those countries with the highest HDI are the "greatest" places to live. I'd leave Ireland for Barbados at first chance I get.