Alex Jones is no skeptic, he's all kinds of something else, but he's also not what people say he is. I'm no fan.
Remember when you described luiz as center-left?
luiz describes himself as center right, and I would agree. And no, I never said that. I did say luiz hasn't really been right wing despite his attempts to keep up appearances. He's no ally but on most social issues he's always lagging but with the progressives like any good capitalist.
This is exactly the problem we're dealing with. How can you guys trust secondary sources giving you analysis, given that you on CFC are
better than the journalists/activists you read, and you still mischaracterize unfairly. I pretty much argue with
@luiz whenever he shows up, starting with
my very firsts posts on CFCOT some 15+ years ago. I would never describe luiz as leftwing, which includes the centerleft, but I sure as hell can see that a) he's been agreeing with many of the main up-for-vote political issues the CFC left support. Where he disagrees is important, and I agree with Traitorfish (in the same thread that you harken to) that luiz is a motivated "anti-leftist". (TF also called him a "cosmopolitan liberal" and therefore enemy to the fascist). And I agree with you, gotta stop the fascists early, and stop them how they
want to be stopped (for them to accept defeat), which is even sometimes with force. So we gotta stop the fascists before they can activate anti-leftist center-right. Because luiz in the end backs the bad guys in places like Brazil he fears the left so much.
But right now anti is taking up the attention of anti-authoritarians.
Preemptive violence is highly authoritarian. While I strongly care about the plight of our migrants in concentration camps, as well as individuals harmed and murdered by the numerous, aligned, but still disorganized rightwing terrorists, I do feel given where I live, what I do, etc. I think I have a higher chance of getting head trauma from some 19 year old antifa person than the bad guys. Unless, that is, I "do nothing" and sit it all out.
@cardgame, you want me to stick my nick out for
@Cloud_Strife ? Hell yeah I'm down. Cloud's my homey. Ooh but antifa will show up and then if I don't follow their lead, they might mistake me for the enemy, and then attack me. So I better just get out their way. Dammit
@cardgame pick a side, mass participation or leftwing
terrorists freedom fighters?
Here's my bit. I know MLK was unpopular in his time, no need to wait for popularity to push buttons and disturb some "peace." I know heroic radicals like Malcolm X really helped move things along correctly. And I know after the dust settled team MLK and team "getting in the way moderates" signed the deal. Young white people like to say "today is as racist as ever" but forever etched in my soul was the 70-something leftwing black man who rebuked me strongly when I made such a claim, thinking a) it was true b) that was helpful.
If Cloud is reacting to right wing terrorism as they hope Cloud is (fearing safety (Cloud what's your pronoun?)) then I am 100% okay with Cloud focused on that. But! The same logic applies to domestic terrorism as it does to foreign terrorism. So Cloud, do we preemptively drone strike and support hitting civilians? "No that's wrong that's imperialism and evil." Okay I agree, but we think that in large part thanks to our distance and ability to keep cool about this. My family is very queer. My immediate family. They're not personally that threatened, (though I'll ask) but not everyone has to be for it to matter. I'm fruity enough that if the fascists were as indiscriminate as antifa, they would definitely attack me after seeing my pink iphone (rose gold my as, b*es). Because antifa attacks people based on colors of clothes without you guys policing that. I had gender fluid period, maybe a bit dysphoric, far too short lived to be anything other than cis-privileged however so I don't claim it. My first party I'm promoting in YEARS is a de facto gay party, because that's what is up.
But it doesn't matter, I'm not saying this as an LGBTQI insider but a cis-het-white-educated-male-man. What matters is Cloud and other people are already feeling enough of a threat, and there's kids in cages, and money laundering child rapist racist gangsters run the executive branch appointing judges(!!!), and hate crimes/right wing terrorism are on the rise.
So the widespread threat is them, not antifa. This is but one reason I'm not saying "Cloud don't act this way." But I am holding down my values, and what I think is good. And I'm telling you now, while I have a high tolerance for anxious people expressing grievances, which is why I don't ask Cloud to stop or say things like "what you do is only counter productive," I have almost no tolerance for anxious indiscriminating people with fuzzy enemy math dictating what's next. And I have zero tolerance for antifa, a combat group,
setting any agenda or telling us how to behave. I'll trust them at rallies I go to if they start apologizing for all the friendly fire they cause, bashing non-fascists with weapons and causing head injuries, and cut it out. Unless we storm the concentration camps, I wouldn't leave that fight if they show up.
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