Not when it involves opinions that would and do put me in danger or ask me to remain passive as the threat continues to exist.
And not when it asks me to ignore the reality of the situation i am in, I don't need someone telling me things are alright even as i personally witness them not being so, I don't need people trying to placate me, whilst they have the priviledge of being able to walk away and i don't need them trying to "both sides" this as if its merely some sort of debate in which to score points.
Your opinions on this topic have as much value to me as a cisman telling a ciswoman what period pain is like and just as far removed from reality.
Your calls for inaction and civility do nothing when people are already suffering and dying at the hands of these fascists in whatever guise they take, with or without state backing, as they have for years. In fact all it does is aid the oppressors and puts the burden on the victims to suffer what they must until the majority magically decide to do something, which is usually a sign that fascism has grown too powerful.
The deaths of these people aren't "false" or "fake news" they are real and just because you have the luck of being no-where near the action doesn't mean your opinion is equal to mine or even valid.
Not when it involves opinions that would and do put me in danger or ask me to remain passive as the threat continues to exist.
And not when it asks me to ignore the reality of the situation i am in, I don't need someone telling me things are alright even as i personally witness them not being so, I don't need people trying to placate me, whilst they have the priviledge of being able to walk away and i don't need them trying to "both sides" this as if its merely some sort of debate in which to score points.
The bolded is the key element in the issue of "duty to retreat." There are definitely people who face a reality where "break it up and walk away" can directly translate as "separate so that you can be picked off."
Fwiw it's not even like we are that far from this dramatically escalating into real violence and not just a bunch of morons in Portland's streets getting over zealous. . . In which case Antifa is going to be sorely needed to found the guerrilla war inevitably coming. . . Unless we want to be China. . .
I mean since we are legitimately talking about the forced removal of 20? million humans from their homes here in the US its not like the comparisons are fanciful.
Fwiw it's not even like we are that far from this dramatically escalating into real violence and not just a bunch of morons in Portland's streets getting over zealous. . . In which case Antifa is going to be sorely needed to found the guerrilla war inevitably coming. . . Unless we want to be China. . .
Or you could win the next Presidential election if the left stopped having Beta's election rallies in Mexico and the Dems were not spending all their time uniting behind freshman non Presidential candidates... ... maybe even not pointing out how far left marxist countries like China become fascist brutal dictatorship might help too
The bolded is the key element in the issue of "duty to retreat." There are definitely people who face a reality where "break it up and walk away" can directly translate as "separate so that you can be picked off."
Also there's a large difference between de-escalating a bar fight between strangers with no real cause and "de-escalating" a beatdown because someone has personally targeted you for behavior outside of your control, like appearing gay. You cannot impose a duty to retreat from living your life or you're just shoving people back into the closet.
Also there's a large difference between de-escalating a bar fight between strangers with no real cause and "de-escalating" a beatdown because someone has personally targeted you for behavior outside of your control, like appearing gay. You cannot impose a duty to retreat from living your life or you're just shoving people back into the closet.
The "duty to retreat" also neatly sidesteps the reality that you can get out unharmed even against numbers if you go at them hard enough soon enough. The chances aren't really great, but they are a whole lot better than the chances if you let a group catch you backing up.
Hey @Cloud_Strife, honest question, since it seems you feel personally threatened for being who you are, would you feel safer walking out on your own, or would you feel safer being accompanied by a few black blocs by your side?
Helping people, charities, voluntary work at places like food banks or soup kitchens, obviously it's dependent on where you live though.
The problem is that these won't stop fascism, it might help prevent others from going towards it but we already have a generation of young males radicalised by the right wing, especially online and it's only going to get worse.
Wrong timeline Berzerker, nothing remotely resembling that happened in this one. Jeez, there must be some kind of portal malfunction that this keeps happening.
Hey @Cloud_Strife, honest question, since it seems you feel personally threatened for being who you are, would you feel safer walking out on your own, or would you feel safer being accompanied by a few black blocs by your side?
Any "solution" that puts the burden on minorities is unreasonable, untenable, unacceptable, isnt sustainable in the long run and is deeply immoral.
It smacks of privilege when someone advocates for the status quo (I'm looking at you Narz), for minorities to continue to suffer what they must at the hands of bigots, it empowers the bigots and displays a cavalier attitude in regards to the health, safety and sanity of their victims.
Even worse is when people concern troll over the dignity and rights of bigots and their enablers, as if those supercede my own, which is what functionally happens when people attack one of the few groups willing to defend me and minorities.
The calls for violence are already falling on receptive ears. When fascists beat people, I want them clubbed into submission with the power of the state. When a batman wannabe extremist hero shows up, I want him clubbed into submission by the power of the state.
Having done no research whatsoever, I am 100% confident that the venn diagram between domestic abusers and (pick one) homophobes, racists, and/or sexists is a circle. Those billy clubs can't be trusted to keep people safe or to not selectively enforce.
Having done no research whatsoever, I am 100% confident that the venn diagram between domestic abusers and (pick one) homophobes, racists, and/or sexists is a circle. Those billy clubs can't be trusted to keep people safe.
Having done no research whatsoever, I am 100% confident that the venn diagram between domestic abusers and (pick one) homophobes, racists, and/or sexists is a circle. Those billy clubs can't be trusted to keep people safe or to not selectively enforce.
You don't even need to bring up modern examples, history is rife with the police (in america at least) attacking and persecuting minorities and Farm Boy must know that at some level.
Having done no research whatsoever, I am 100% confident that the venn diagram between domestic abusers and (pick one) homophobes, racists, and/or sexists is a circle. Those billy clubs can't be trusted to keep people safe or to not selectively enforce.
I'm sorry to break this to you, but if you want to use this as some sort of an argument that the "white supremacists" are out to get you, you are to be sorely disappointed to find out that the cops in question are Native American, Stebbins being about 94% Native American. It's like you guys are trying to validate my point that portions of this narrative is driven by misinformation and escalating narratives... Of course you can just spin this to mean that the reason why these Native Americans are so abusive is "white supremacy" if you like, in which case you arrive again at your desired outcome, which was to say that everything is the white man's fault.
As if minorities can't also be contribute to white supremecy and other forms of bigotry, what have you never heard of black or hispanic cops?
Or LGBT cops?
Or female cops?
It's the insitution as a whole that enables and contributes to it, the individual make up of the police department does very little to change that fact.
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... maybe even not pointing out how far left marxist countries like China become fascist brutal dictatorship might help too
