Cloud_Strife
Deity
I cannot continue to entertain this conversation Brennan if you aren't even willing to accept the basics of my argument.
"in effect" meaning not really, but you will continue to interpret anything anyone says in the most negative way possible.
So it has been admitted that nobody has defended fascism and you cannot back up your claims about having your rights infringed by the rights of fascists with a clear example? Nor are you prepared to acknowledge that evidence exists that progressive ideas are spreading.I cannot continue to entertain this conversation Brennan if you aren't even willing to accept the basics of my argument.
Well, no. But that was your conclusion when you entered the conversation so we can only hope you leave with it.So it has been admitted that nobody has defended fascism and you cannot back up your claims about having your rights infringed by the rights of fascists with a clear example? Nor are you prepared to acknowledge that evidence exists that progressive ideas are spreading.
Nothing you have said gives me any indication that I wouldn't continue to be victimised and abused in a society governed by your mores, In some ways it might be worse.
That is the honest truth and you cannot keep tap dancing away from that fundamental problem.
You offer me no hope in escaping the problems I face and you ask me to tolerate things that I have explained to you I cannot, for reasons beyond mere disagreement but extend to actual compromising of my safety.
You cannot advocate for this and not expect push back. You cannot keep doing this and expect me not to think certain disquieting thoughts and i would be lying to pretend otherwise.
Whereas racist rallies and nazi propaganda has a neutral effect on our society.
This is actually correct.
The overton window is so far to the right that suggesting people shouldn't be forced to sleep on the streets or arguing it's not ok for employers to steal tipped wages is decried as Soviet-style communism. Everything is extreme and therefore nothing is extreme. I have been saying though that this renewed attack on all things socialistic or even anti-capitalist is a godsend as the extreme positions being taken up by the far right de-legitimizes all of their positions. It's a bit like how the LDS Church campaigned against gay marriage in California on grounds of pedophilia wound up helping (in my estimation) make gay marriage the law of the land a few short years later. I think overreach is a real phenomenon.
I'm not sure what you think my mores are other than "don't bash people over the head with bike locks" and "don't arbitrarily remove rights from people". And I'm certainly confused what it is that you think I support that would make things worse than the current society that you already see as so terrible to begin with.
I'm not tapdancing away from anything, anymore than you're tapdancing away from what I'm saying. We're disagreeing.
I live in a different country and don't even know you. Offering you hope was never on the table.
You're the one who is advocating for things and I'm pushing back. You want to enact all sorts of sweeping, authoritarian policies against "the enemy", up to and including violence, and restricting their rights and speech. All the while warning of lessons from history about authoritarian violent regimes that restricted rights and speech. And if me or anyone else complains that that's bad... well then we're "collaborators" who need to be treated the same as the rest. We're either with you or we're the enemy. And you just don't see the irony...
When I was a kid, people were setting bombs off in towns near me. They could do this because we weren't a police state. I'm glad that we still are not a police state and there weren't enough morons willing to throw their rights away for a bit more security.Spoiler WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGE :![]()
When I was a kid, people were setting bombs off in towns near me. They could do this because we weren't a police state. I'm glad that we still are not a police state and there weren't enough morons willing to throw their rights away for a bit more security.
And here I started to think @Cloud_Strife was being a bit of a jerk but now I see why
Fascists are kind of the ultimate evil if you are one of the groups they want to eliminate.
One side's endgame is the wholesale elimination of certain groups of people, the other side wants to stop that, even if it means using violence.
Punishing people for bigoted behavior is about a mile away from punishing them for having the audacity to exist while non-white. Paradox of tolerance explains perfectly well why, you just don't see it.
This guy always argues in bad faith. My proudest achievement here recently is having him declare that I'm not worth engaging with. Finally, I don't have to waste any time reading his responses again.
Um, echo chambers describes most of our contemporary media, social or otherwise.
Nobody out there is trying to eliminate you. Stop being paranoid.