Appropriate reactions

[Arwon]

Luv too see concern for the health, wellbeing and lives of targeted vulnerable people be dismissed as "butthurt" and "sore loser". Great job not being terrible, guys.

 

[GoodEnoughForMe]

My personal stake is that I will lose my subsidized health care, and I can not afford it but absolutely need it, so I will, as a 28 year old, have to ask my parents to help pay, which if nothing else, is entirely embarrassing.

 

[civman110]

Luv too see concern for the health, wellbeing and lives of targeted vulnerable people be dismissed as "butthurt" and "sore loser". Great job not being terrible, guys.

I honestly couldn't care less what the left wants to label me as today and because I don't share your narrow list of "concerns" does not in anyway mean that I don't care about other people's well being. Try gaining some perspective.

 

[Snorrius]

My personal stake is that I will lose my subsidized health care, and I can not afford it but absolutely need it, so I will, as a 28 year old, have to ask my parents to help pay, which if nothing else, is entirely embarrassing.

Well, what's wrong with it? Relatives should help each other. When you make it big, you will repay them ten-fold.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

All Harper did is run the economy and didn't want to bring unvetted Middle Eastern immigrants in. What the left says about him is nothing short of hysteria. He was a centrist.

Uh-huh. Yep. And he didn't (sarcasm alert here) muzzle federal scientists, slash veterans' services, attempt to disenfranchise several categories of voters (students, seniors, aboriginal, disabled, and homeless) - one of which I fall into, throw embarrassing public tantrums when he didn't get his way (locking himself in a bathroom in Brazil until his hosts gave in to his demands), approve of literally destroying whole libraries of information on the environment (pesky environmentalists, always protesting the destruction caused by the tarsands, fracking, pipeline leaks, etc.), using dirty American-style tricks to subvert elections (robocalls/robocards)... I could go on.

Yes, he did all of the above, plus attempt to put in a snitch line to encourage Canadians to spy on our neighbors and report any "barbaric cultural practices" we might happen to see. The excuse was that the government wanted to protect women and girls from being killed ("honour killings"), but apparently our 911 system and other police-related phone numbers wouldn't work for that?

A couple of his wannabe successors are still pushing this divisive attitude, only now it's vetting immigrants on the basis of testing them for "Canadian cultural values." On the surface, there's nothing wrong with making sure that Middle Eastern immigrants understand that same-sex marriage is legal here, and that women are equal, and many other rights and freedoms exist here that don't exist in whatever country it is that they come from. My question is who decides what is a "Canadian cultural value" and what about the people who are currently citizens and don't have those values - should they be deported? There are plenty of people who were born here, and don't hold to some of these values. For that matter, someone like me - an atheist - would be considered not to hold the "proper" values.

So do not tell me that Harper was some sort of economic saint who never did anything wrong. He was despicable, and we're well rid of him. His disciples are all over the comment boards this morning, gloating and dancing at Trump's victory - if they couldn't have their despicable Canadian leader, at least they have their despicable American leader.

 

[Synobun]

Luv too see concern for the health, wellbeing and lives of targeted vulnerable people be dismissed as "butthurt" and "sore loser". Great job not being terrible, guys.

The Trump/Pence position on minority rights is troublesome, no doubt.

But people are acting like the death squads on their doorstep right this very minute. This does no one any favours, especially themselves.

 

[civman110]

Uh-huh. Yep. And he didn't (sarcasm alert here) muzzle federal scientists, slash veterans' services, attempt to disenfranchise several categories of voters (students, seniors, aboriginal, disabled, and homeless) - one of which I fall into

I know. When there's a global recession you have to cut funding from either welfare, healthcare, public education, or science funding. He should have cut the other three? Would that have made you happier? I doubt it.

using dirty American-style tricks to subvert elections (robocalls/robocards)... I could go on.

Robo calls. Lol.

But, you have no problem with both the NDP and Liberal Party paying Canada's State media the CBC millions for positive coverage? Look it up.

Yes, he did all of the above, plus attempt to put in a snitch line to encourage Canadians to spy on our neighbors and report any "barbaric cultural practices" we might happen to see. The excuse was that the government wanted to protect women and girls from being killed ("honour killings"), but apparently our 911 system and other police-related phone numbers wouldn't work for that?

Honor killings are trendy and liberal now. Bad on Harper for passing a law against FGM and honor killings. Canada should be more like Saudi Arabia.

A couple of his wannabe successors are still pushing this divisive attitude, only now it's vetting immigrants on the basis of testing them for "Canadian cultural values."

Canada needs unvetted Middle Eastern immigrants that hate Western culture and values? Vetting people so you don't bring in the ones who practice FGM, honor killings and are sympathetic to Sunni Extremism and practice Sharia is bad. Don't write laws forbidding those things either because that would be rayyssiss.

So do not tell me that Harper was some sort of economic saint who never did anything wrong. He was despicable, and we're well rid of him. His disciples are all over the comment boards this morning, gloating and dancing at Trump's victory - if they couldn't have their despicable Canadian leader, at least they have their despicable American leader.

As I said the left's reaction and rhetoric is pure hysteria.

Maybe the modern left will come back to reality someday, but I won't hold my breath.

 

[Synobun]

Canada needs unvetted Middle Eastern immigrants that hate Western culture and values? Vetting people so you don't bring in the ones who practice FGM, honor killings and are sympathetic to Sunni Extremism and practice Sharia is bad. Don't write laws forbidding those things either because that would be rayyssiss.

Did I miss something here in Canada recently where any of this is supposed to make sense?

 

[civman110]

Did I miss something here in Canada recently where any of this is supposed to make sense?

He was talking about the last conservative government passing the "Barbaric Cultural Practices Act" which forbid such things and stated actions such as honor killings and FGM are not protected under freedom of religion. Somehow that is rayyssiss according to the extreme left. The same goes not allowing people who believe these things to immigrate into their country.

It's pure insane lefty hysteria. The left doesn't live in reality.

 

[Arwon]

The Trump/Pence position on minority rights is troublesome, no doubt.

But people are acting like the death squads on their doorstep right this very minute. This does no one any favours, especially themselves.

That's a silly strawman, but let's not pretend their LGBT, reproductive rights, law and order and healthcare policies don't have a death toll. Suicide, violence and excess mortality are things.

 

[Synobun]

That's a silly strawman, but let's not pretend their LGBT, reproductive rights, law and order and healthcare policies don't have a death toll. Suicide, violence and excess mortality are things.

Not a strawman at all. I've seen dozens of tweets of people claiming their safety was at imminent risk as a result of Trump's victory. Shall I go fetch them or can we simply agree that nobody is going to suffer their very own Salem Witch Trial in the next couple weeks?

 

[Arwon]

Well he isn't inaugurated till January. So yeah.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

IKR. The modern left is hypocritical morally bankrupt trash.

You're far from the only one, so don't take this personally, but I'd like to use this as illustration.

It's reactions like these that got you in this mess. The mess being a polarization in politics which is fueled by the media. When you start thinking in left vs right, instead of corrupt vs non-corrupt, you get an election process like the ones you've witnessed the last couple of decades.

The sheer amount of liberal butthurt today is historic. They honestly couldn't deserve it more with all of their hysteria, foaming at the mouth, and insults that they direct daily at anyone who isn't a part of their cult.

Unlike the reaction 4 years ago? 8 years ago? 12 years ago?

You're on the merry go round to hell, going down.

 

[civman110]

You're far from the only one, so don't take this personally, but I'd like to use this as illustration.

It's reactions like these that got you in this mess. The mess being a polarization in politics which is fueled by the media. When you stand thinking in left vs right, instead of corrupt vs non-corrupt, you get an election process like the ones you've witnessed the last couple of decades.

I've been saying that for years on here, but it eventually gets to a point where you have to choose a side. I also don't draw this false moral equivalency between the left and right. Take this election for example.

The right said Hillary was corrupt - she is!

The left said Trump is Hitler and his supporters are all racists.


Now you tell me who is being polarizing.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I've been saying that for years on here, but it eventually gets to a point where you have to choose a side.

You have to, or it's easier than dealing with the fact that it's a lot uglier to see the real picture and having to admit that the players on your team are as corrupt as the ones you just slagged?

 

[civman110]

You have to, or it's easier than dealing with the fact that it's a lot uglier to see the real picture and having to admit that the players on your team are as corrupt as the ones you just slagged?

I'm well aware of what the real picture is.

 

[Snorrius]

You have to, or it's easier than dealing with the fact that it's a lot uglier to see the real picture and having to admit that the players on your team are as corrupt as the ones you just slagged?

Trump, at least, is not a reptilian.

 

[metalhead]

I'm a straight white upper-middle class male. Not only will I personally be fine, my taxes might get cut. It's not me or my family that I'm worried about.

I think that Bill Maher made a very astute observation, when he said that liberals freaking out over every Republican like they mean the end of the world is partly to blame, and it holds even truer now that Trump is going to be out next president (ick). Every four years is a cacophany of hyperbolic liberal disgust over all of the people Republicans are going to kill by getting elected.

The problem is, when you're faced with a real threat like Trump, your suddenly not-so-hyperbolic claims of an existential threat just sound like the same noise you always make. The right does the exact same thing, so it's not like this is a one-sided criticism, but this is one big, important lesson out of many that I hope we learn.

 

[Flying Pig]

Well he isn't inaugurated till January. So yeah.

If the wave of hate crime following the Brexit vote - which won't take effect for at least three years - is anything to go by, they may not have to wait that long.

 

[civman110]

I'm a straight white upper-middle class male. Not only will I personally be fine, my taxes might get cut.

It's not me or my family that I'm worried about.

No it's just you're ideology that you're worried about, but keep virtue signaling as if your own self-interest has nothing to do with your political beliefs.