Ask A Catholic

[classical_hero]

The deal with No Rubbers, is that the Catholic Church holds that the act of sexual reproduction should be conducted according to natural processes. It's strongly connected to the no rubbers policy for example, is the policy against artificial ensemination. Theoretically you're not supposed to interfere with the natural process of sexual reproduction.

Actually there was a popular plant back in the early days that basically was contraception, but it was so popular, that it became extinct due to overuse. Why do you think that there is a line in the[wiki]Hypocratic Oath[/wiki] regarding abortive measures? They did have things that worked like a diaphragm on women.

The line reads "This is my body" not "This is a symbol of my body"

So I The LORD a Shepherd also? Even Jesus uses the fact that he is the Good Shepherd. Also the Bible talks about that we are in God's hand, and yet he is a spirit and spirits do not The Bible often uses Symbolic language to get its point across. You are taking literally what is definitely a use of symbolic language. I mean the whole Passover meal is very symbolic, which is where the first instance of the Lord's Supper takes place so you need to understand the symbolism behind the Passover and how is applies to the Lord's supper. One thing that the passover had to have, was that their was no leaven products being used at all, that is why grape juice (fruit of the vine) was being used during Feast. Typically leaven was used symbolically to show the effects of sin to the Corinthians by Paul. The Main problem with Transubstantiation, is that it is basically a re-sacrificing of Jesus, but the Bible clearly states in Hebrews that there is no more offering for sin, if Jesus' sacrifice is accept, which is does say it is. This is why so many Reformers died rather than believe what the Catholics believed.

 

[GenMarshall]

The Main problem with Transubstantiation, is that it is basically a re-sacrificing of Jesus, but the Bible clearly states in Hebrews that there is no more offering for sin, if Jesus' sacrifice is accept, which is does say it is.

There is no problem with Transubstantiation. It's not a symbolic act.

"Jesus said to them, 'Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.'" 53-54 John Chap 6 53-54

Mind you, unlike Protestant denominations which only relies on solely the Bible. Catholics rely on both the Bible as well as traditions set forth by Jesus and the church fathers. They've been doing this well before the New Testaments were written.

V. The Sacramental Sacrifice Thanksgiving, Memorial, Presence

So, CG, why haven't you gone to Mass lately? I ask more out of curiosity than anything, as your attitude seemed different in the old Catholicism thread.

Mainly due because when I was working, my job placed me to work oddball hours and on shifts where Mass is normally held. Which includes having me work both Saturdays and Sundays at oddball shifts (sometimes 1st or 2nd shift). My attitude changed is mainly due en-part of the Anti-Catholic rhetoric that gets tossed around in OTland.

 

[Takhisis]

CivGeneral, usually, in OT there's too many people with too much idle time, and they develop anti-anything rethorics just for the sake of arguing. Don't pay attention to those.

 

[Joecoolyo]

edit: nvm

 

[Berzerker]

lolwut you are accusing the Catholic Church of Idolatry?

biggest idolaters on the planet, look at all their wealth and opulence - they even got their own country or state.

and if the Church believes in "natural" processes when it comes to sex, why reject natural processes when it comes to everything else in life...and death?

 

[Takhisis]

Really? When do I worship an idol?

 

[Berzerker]

are you the Catholic Church?

 

[Takhisis]

The Church of Christ is every single person who believes in Him and follows His precepts as best as they can. All of us try -or should- to help build his Kingdom.

 

[Berzerker]

thats nice, but you aint the Catholic Church

 

[Takhisis]

NO ONE IS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH!!!
Don't you understand that?

 

[Berzerker]

You just identified yourself as the Catholic Church... I said the Catholic Church was guilty of idolatry and you asked

When do I worship an idol?

 

[Takhisis]

I'm a member of it. The Church is not a palpable entity.

 

[Berzerker]

I didn't identify the Church with 1 person, you did that - you identified yourself as the Catholic Church! Then you accused me of ignorance for identifying the Catholic Church with 1 person. You never did address my argument as to why the Catholic Church is guilty of idolatry. In fact, you ignored it when my argument provided context - wealth, opulence, even statehood! Does that describe you? How in the hell did you get the idea I was talking to or about you? I never heard of you before this.

 

[Takhisis]

I've been reading your latest posts. You're a semi-professional troll. Get a life.

 

[civ_king]

Berzerker, congratulations you just accused a non-palpable entity of worshipping something!

 

[cardgame]

OK: Explanation behind the idolatry thing

1.) Virgin Mary has many statues in the Church

2.) You pray to her


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If someone had a statue of a golden cow

and they prayed to it

isn't that idolatry?

I've been reading your latest posts. You're a semi-professional troll. Get a life.

I suggest you go back and reread the thread!
Specifically, posts 105 and 106

 

[Takhisis]

Please, take this discussion serously.
We pray to her, not to her statues. A statue is a lifeless object. If we prayed to each individual statue of the Viring, or Jesus, or any saint, then, yes, it'd be idolatry. But you can pray into empty air if you like as well.

 

[Berzerker]

Berzerker, congratulations you just accused a non-palpable entity of worshipping something!

Vatican City is quite palpable - its riches beyond imagination in the form of a state masquerading as Jesus' Church. What did Jesus advise the wealthy young man who wanted to join his discipleship? Give away your wealth!

 

[kulade]

so who thought up the whole pope thing?

 

[Berzerker]

Please, take this discussion serously.
We pray to her, not to her statues. A statue is a lifeless object.

Then why pray to a lifeless statue?

But you can pray into empty air if you like as well.

and you dont need a church either, or a pope in a hat and dress, or Vatican City with its vaults of treasure. And how is praying to her different from pagans praying to some subordinate god or semi-divine being to get help with the main god? Sounds like its only idolatry when other people do it, but not the Catholics.