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That is not a fact, and is purely subjective.
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That is not a fact, and is purely subjective.
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very well then, I will have to ask Dom3000 to simply accept my answers to his statements on Ask a Catholic and not engage in a dialogue. Clearly my answers are, were and will be so clear and naturally correct that he doesn't need or require or even want to engage in a dialogue to defend his own views (which naturally are wiped away as erroneous by his new enlightenment as to the Truth) when the topic directly relates to him, dialogue is unnecesary for rational discussion at all because he is now fully secure in his newfound catholic faith and has no desire to defend the refutations of protestantism on topics directly relating to him.
How could I not get it before. Its so simple. I will have to bring the confirmation kit immediately.
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dialogue is an integral part of such threads and you are simply being stupid if you think I won't engage in such within reasonable bounds of a topic relating to me and which I was a part of. Although if you are so insecure in your faith that you can't tolerate a Catholic engaging in dialogue in reciprocity on this thread than thats perfectly understandable. Afterall, the Catholic Church is right
very well then, I will have to ask Dom3000 to simply accept my answers to his statements on Ask a Catholic and not engage in a dialogue. Clearly my answers are, were and will be so clear and naturally correct that he doesn't need or require or even want to engage in a dialogue to defend his own views (which naturally are wiped away as erroneous by his new enlightenment as to the Truth) when the topic directly relates to him, dialogue is unnecesary for rational discussion at all because he is now fully secure in his newfound catholic faith and has no desire to defend the refutations of protestantism on topics directly relating to him.
How could I not get it before. Its so simple. I will have to bring the confirmation kit immediately.
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dialogue is an integral part of such threads and you are simply being stupid if you think I won't engage in such within reasonable bounds of a topic relating to me and which I was a part of. Although if you are so insecure in your faith that you can't tolerate a Catholic engaging in dialogue in reciprocity on this thread than thats perfectly understandable. Afterall, the Catholic Church is right
classical_hero
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What's Satan like?
Satan is the great deciever so he would want to make himself out to be just like God, so whenever people display him like that, it shows ignorance of him, since all Satan is a very powerful angel who disobeyed God. He imitates God so people can be deceived by him, so that means he tries his very best to look legit. He rarely shows his true colours at the beginning and often tells something with a kernel of truth, but with a twist. He did that right from the beginning.
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By what mechanisms does Satan deceive?
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By what mechanism, does any one try to deceive? If something has one byte of truth to it, it may look genuine. Since people have relegated truth to something subjective, it is even harder to perceive what is true and what is not. I would say that relativism has made his job even easier, since no one wants to even figure out what is true and what is not.
I have always thought that when a Fed Agent is instructed in counterfeit recognition that as long as he knows what the real thing is, any thing "off" means that it is a counterfeit. The real thing cannot be false, and you do not have to memorize everything that is counterfeit. As long as one knows the truth, anything else is easily spotted as counterfeit. The problem is no one accepts the truth any more. It has been relegated to myth. There is nothing to compare a counterfeit to any more.
PeteAtoms
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I think it's the other way around. Myth is now being compared to truth. If we are looking to find falsehood and anything "off" of the truth, than why does the bible not face the same scrutiny?
1 + 1 = 2, all else follows.
I think it is disingenuous to assume the Bible is the truth and than compare the rest of the world to that. The Bible (just like anything else) should be up for scrutiny. And before you get bent out of shape about people having faith in science, let's not forget the scientific method calls for exactly this. It is an invitation to to everyone to scrutinize scientific claims.
Exactly. The Bible didn't drop out of the sky, written in English with an angel's seal of approval on it. It's been written down by people who were at best inspired by God, translated by the same hundreds of times, and copied out over and over again before the invention of the printing press. To say that it's infalliable would be a very long stretch, which is why we have to take our reading of the bible with what we know of God, and if the two don't match then check our understanding of both.
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People do not have faith in science, unless you are trying to make it a religion. People have hypothesis of science. Faith is spiritual and thus can not be scientificated. Science is empirical evidence and cannot be spiritualized.
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Since when were you interested in Protestantism, useless? I thought it was too homophobic for your tastes... And what the heck does your post have to do with Protestantism in the first place? It has no place in this topic whatsoever.
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Using mouths and hands and stuff... does Satan have those?
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According to scripture he roars like a lion. I doubt though that if a lion started to talk to you, you would be much deceived. You might be a little perplexed though. If you were to have a conversation with a total stranger and you started to worship them, I would assume that by use of the mouth, hands, and what not, you were probably deceived into feeling compelled to worship him.
If you could point out with certaintanty that someone was Satan, would any one believe you? If they did believe you, would that not be a deception since no one thinks he exist to begin with. I acknowledge that there is a God, and that His Word is Truth. That means (to me) that there is a satan. Satan lives in the spiritual realm and if he so chooses can take on any physical form he desires.
I am pretty sure though that since he is deceptive, we will not be able to say for certain what he looks like physically. It seems to me though, unless one worships demons and beast, he probably will not appear as one, since that would not be very deceptive. If one were into that sort of mindset though, it would not be that hard to appear that way and not be deceptive, since chemical agents may be used to induce alternate realities where satan as demonic would seem natural.
I am not a Protestant, but I will answer anyways:
Since he was blatantly removing passages based on whether he liked them from a theological viewpoint, rather than applying any sort of systematic criticism to them, then the end result can't claim to be more "accurate" than the original was.
But then, I already knew that several of the more prominent Founding Fathers weren't really Christian as I understand the term.
useless
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My point was that the bible is not a (or the) "Common source of truth", for the truth espoused by the bible has not been proven, and the supposed science within the book is laughable. A book of teachings? Yes. A "Common source of truth"? No, nor will it ever be.
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Satan being the great deceiver that he is, what chance is there that some of the things attributed to God in the Bible are actually Satan's doing?
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None, but that's because Satan doesn't work like that. If you mean 'what is the chance that some other omnipotent deity is around who can work miracles', then very high. But I don't think it really matters, because that would make them part of God as well. It's hard to explain, but if you like God is the only divine being, so anything that acts in a way that only God could is consequently God working for his in mysterious ways. One would hope that the parts of the scripture that survive are indeed divinely inspired rather than the work of one tricked, since they have been filtered throughout the ages, but there's no guarantee that nothing has slipped through the net.
PeteAtoms
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Q: Has the claim that "a baby's smile is proof of God's existence" (or other things like the sunrise) ever worked in convincing someone of anything?
Q: What do you think about Jesus' sermon on the mount, and in particular this quote:
And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. - Matthew 6:5-6
Why is it so important for modern American Christians to have their religion plastered all over everything in government, public schools, businesses, etc? Doesn't this show that they are hypocrites for wanting prayer in schools and everything else on the Christian agenda?
Q: What do you think about Jesus' sermon on the mount, and in particular this quote:
And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. - Matthew 6:5-6
Why is it so important for modern American Christians to have their religion plastered all over everything in government, public schools, businesses, etc? Doesn't this show that they are hypocrites for wanting prayer in schools and everything else on the Christian agenda?
warpus
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I don't get it. Either Satan is a master of deception or he isn't.. right? If he is, couldn't he easily appear as a burning bush? If not, why all the worry about him deceiving us?
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