Ask a Young Earth Creationist.

[Truronian]

Really? Astronomers cannot pinpoint the exact dates of occurrences of the Vela or Geminga supernovas. How can you statistically filter out fluctuations in carbon-14, if you don't know when to begin? The crab nebula formed from a supernova that Chinese astronomers recorded in 1054 A.D. A spike from that supernova could be reliably filtered out; spikes from supernovas that are 2-5 times older than the half-life of carbon-14 itself would be difficult to isolate and correct for.

There is a natural C-14 level. Supernovas cause temporary spikes in C-14, making things appear older than they are to geologists. Lets say a supernova hit 10000 years ago... this means that we will find nothing that is dated to be 10000 years old, but we will find more stuff dated at 10000+x years old due to the supernova spike. That's how.

Interestingly, the Vela supernova exploded 13,000 years ago, before God created the universe...

Which brings up another problem: why is it that some Precambrian graphite samples have carbon 14 ages of about 60,000 years? Shouldn't such fossils be "carbon-14 dead"?

From wiki:

"Sensitivity has since been greatly increased by the use of accelerator-based mass-spectrometric (AMS) techniques, where all the 14C atoms can be counted directly, rather than only those decaying during the counting interval allotted for each analysis. The AMS technique allows one to date samples containing only a few milligrams of carbon, although the maximum age reported is still around 60,000 years."

 

[Perfection]

Here's an actual question:
Why are the vast majority of scientists so greatly misled about creation?

 

[cubsfan6506]

Seconded. 10

 

[drachasor]

Here's an actual question:
Why are the vast majority of scientists so greatly misled about creation?

Could you explain what you mean by "misled?"

-Drachasor

 

[Perfection]

I'm not really sure how that would be confusing. "misled" as in confused or decieved

 

[drachasor]

I'm not really sure how that would be confusing. "misled" as in confused or decieved

In what way do you think most scientists are misled though?

 

[Perfection]

I don't think they are!

 

[drachasor]

I don't think they are!

I was getting a bit confused there. Anyhoo, it's clearly time for me to get some sleep.

Hmm, that was an actual question in one way, but also not an actual question at all.

-Drachasor

 

[Ecofarm]

Those YEC websites are pretty scary.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

A "Ask a whatever" is not support to be a debating thread.

Let us not forget, CG is right. We have at any given time about a dozen threads arguing about the validity of the theory of evolution vs. YEC, this is the only thread where the YECists offer to explain about why they think, what they think.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

So right!

In a post a long time ago, on a page far, far away I asked

Classical Hero, what made you decide to become, or what made you realise you allready were, a Young Earth creationist?

(Sorry if this has been asked allready, must admit I didnt read the whole thread)

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=5388374&postcount=135

I'm still interested to know.

 

[drachasor]

Let us not forget, CG is right. We have at any given time about a dozen threads arguing about the validity of the theory of evolution vs. YEC, this is the only thread where the YECists offer to explain about why they think, what they think.

IMHO, there's nothing interesting to talk about there. From one YEC proponent to another, how they came to YEC differs a little, but the essential reason is always because they accept the literal truth of the bible above all other sources of information. The essential motivations are the same for a YEC proponent are the same as for any strongly religious person; there's nothing particularly unique about them (no offense intended).

-Drachasor

 

[cubsfan6506]

I was getting a bit confused there. Anyhoo, it's clearly time for me to get some sleep.

Hmm, that was an actual question in one way, but also not an actual question at all.

-Drachasor

Wow they are good at dodging questions.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

@drach: I think it is interesting. Maybe because I actually understand that mindset somewhat.

 

[drachasor]

@drach: I think it is interesting. Maybe because I actually understand that mindset somewhat.

Ehh, some things aren't interesting even when you understand them. I think I understand the mindset. There's a desire for rock-solid certainty; to have something that is true no matter what. There can be some other emotional needs as well (community, a system of morality, etc). Religion, and YEC as part of that, can meet those needs. I don't find it particularly interesting though.

-Drachasor

 

[cubsfan6506]

Why do most scientists and other well educated people not adhere to young earth creationism.

 

[Perfection]

If you're not interested, drach, please don't post. If you want to put down scientific rebuttals, just use my thread and quickly link to it here. Even, I, a rock-solid atheist, evolutionist, and science geek have a few interesting questions I'd like to ask.

 

[drachasor]

If you're not interested, drach, please don't post. If you want to put down scientific rebuttals, just use my thread and quickly link to it here. Even, I, a rock-solid atheist, evolutionist, and science geek have a few interesting questions I'd like to ask.

IIRC, I only entered the thread to respond to some of the pseudo-science reasons that were posted by YECists.

I suppose I am mildly interested to see if any YECists will admit that it really isn't about the 'science,' but rather what the bible says.

That is: If scientific evidence even you can't deny scientifically disproved creationism, would you still be a creationist?

 

[GenMarshall]

I think the reason why Classical Hero or any YEC wont want to come to this thread to answer questions is that they see this thread devulge from a simple Ask a question and the answerer will answer your question on why he or she beleives in such a thing to a debate thread that we have seen so many countless and endless debates in Evo vs Cre threads.

I myself would not want to look at a thread on "Ask a Catholic" if all there was were debates on focusing on the negative aspects of the Church itself instead of asking about the Religion itself.

It seems to me that some of you are only interested in engaging in a debate insted of learning about the person's beliefs.

IMHO, there's nothing interesting to talk about there.

There are some people who want to aggressively debate against a person and try to debunk his or her beliefs, especially here. Personaly, I dont see the point of this thread and IMO that it was not a good idea for the OP to start this "Ask a Creationist Thread" knowing full well that this thread will attract non-Chreationist along with trollers like flies to a piece of meat.

Personaly (and no offense to the OP), this thread is good as locked. We have enough Threads to debate Evolution vs. Creationism as it is already.

 

[drachasor]

I think the reason why Classical Hero or any YEC wont want to come to this thread to answer questions is that they see this thread devulge from a simple Ask a question and the answerer will answer your question on why he or she beleives in such a thing to a debate thread that we have seen so many countless and endless debates in Evo vs Cre threads.

I myself would not want to look at a thread on "Ask a Catholic" if all there was were debates on focusing on the negative aspects of the Church itself instead of asking about the Religion itself.

It seems to me that some of you are only interested in engaging in a debate insted of learning about the person's beliefs.

It's a bit murky with creationism though, since it is all dressed up in science-esque clothing. Extra-murky since creationists love to pretend they believe creationism because of the science, rather than for religious reasons (so they offer up the scientific ones a lot).

-Drachasor