Aspiring Rapper's MAFIA- Game Thread

[Zack]

In some degree, but almost always, people post more and are more motivated in their posting style, as town. That's what I see from Glossy here. When Cass linked to her scum game, I did take a look at her amount of posting and posting style - and it wasn't in same volume as here, while also less dominant/motivated. She even had a post excusing low activity(early in game though), which I doubt we'll see from her here

I disagree with your claim. Some people don't like being vanilla townie and only really get excited and into the game when scum or a power role. It depends on the person. Your blanket statement does not apply to everyone, especially the type of person who would even post this much on d1 in the first place - someone who posts 180 times so quickly indicates a player who takes the game seriously and will put in serious effort regardless of their role.

You reference Cass as supporting evidence, but even in this game she's only middle-of-the-road in terms of posting amount. I think your argument applies more to someone like that, someone who normally posts a decent amount but is lurking can be a red flag. But someone posting 179 times before Day 1 is over is not ever, ever, ever going to lurk in any game, even as mafia. Different people have different ranges of normalcy as far as posting amount, so low-posting for sushi might still be ridiculously high, which is why I find your original point ("what mafia would ever post that much") dubious.

Using that line of defense for a fellow player, and asserting that it's such a strong line of defense, is odd if you're town and not masons with the other person. Particularly with the phrasing that you used. You didn't mention the quality of the posts, or anything in them that seemed townie, only that the sheer quantity is certifiably not-scum. If Visor made 180 jokes by this point, would that clear him? If glossysushi condensed the one-liners and double/triple/quadruple posts into single posts with more content, thereby greatly diminishing the raw quantity of posts - like say the same amount of content boiled down into 50 bigger posts - would that make her less townie?

I see three possible explanations:

- You and sushi are mafia partners. Seems a little blatant in the defense. Also I see no real reason to suspect sushi.

- You and sushi are mason partners. Possible, especially since you seem concerned about the number of votes sushi has been getting, and masons tend to freak out when their partner is a lynch candidate. Though we're still almost two full days away from deadline, she's nowhere close to a hammer, and I feel like their are other wagons with more momentum (hard to tell without an updated tally).

- You are wolf and sushi is town. Using your perfect information of everyone's alignment, you know sushi is town and want to try and buddy up with the top-posting townie and try to get on their good side. I find this one the most likely.

Unvote, Vote: Lassie

 

[Legato Endless]

Also, people, do use yer brains an' use the multiquote function. This ain't no chatroom, boys and girls.

But I feel vaguely guilty when I post and it takes up like a third of the page!

While this is a towny post, that's why it's suspicious.

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Anyway, I don't think these opinion discussions about how the game should be played is +EV to spend time on - so I'd like to see some more reads, ISO's and so on. You know; actual game content.

Disagree. I see where you're coming from, but two issues. We are dealing with a culture mash. Explaining what the hell is going on with players is probably going to make communication easier later on. There's no way everyone who's attempting to clarify the general difference in expectations is scum, so frankly I appreciate illumination on this subject. Also, it's Day 1. Still. If anything, I'd like a bit more now so we don't spend time on it later when timing is more critical.

I mean, we've gotten a dozen or more jargon references and acronyms thrown around and having to be explained. Being a bit initially meta about all of this just seems sane.

 

[Zack]

I have 26 scum leans and 3 are stronger than others at the moment.

this is gold btw

 

[Lassie]

I disagree with your claim. Some people don't like being vanilla townie and only really get excited and into the game when scum or a power role. It depends on the person. Your blanket statement does not apply to everyone, especially the type of person who would even post this much on d1 in the first place - someone who posts 180 times so quickly indicates a player who takes the game seriously and will put in serious effort regardless of their role.

You reference Cass as supporting evidence, but even in this game she's only middle-of-the-road in terms of posting amount. I think your argument applies more to someone like that, someone who normally posts a decent amount but is lurking can be a red flag. But someone posting 179 times before Day 1 is over is not ever, ever, ever going to lurk in any game, even as mafia. Different people have different ranges of normalcy as far as posting amount, so low-posting for sushi might still be ridiculously high, which is why I find your original point ("what mafia would ever post that much") dubious.

Using that line of defense for a fellow player, and asserting that it's such a strong line of defense, is odd if you're town and not masons with the other person. Particularly with the phrasing that you used. You didn't mention the quality of the posts, or anything in them that seemed townie, only that the sheer quantity is certifiably not-scum. If Visor made 180 jokes by this point, would that clear him? If glossysushi condensed the one-liners and double/triple/quadruple posts into single posts with more content, thereby greatly diminishing the raw quantity of posts - like say the same amount of content boiled down into 50 bigger posts - would that make her less townie?

I see three possible explanations:

- You and sushi are mafia partners. Seems a little blatant in the defense. Also I see no real reason to suspect sushi.

- You and sushi are mason partners. Possible, especially since you seem concerned about the number of votes sushi has been getting, and masons tend to freak out when their partner is a lynch candidate. Though we're still almost two full days away from deadline, she's nowhere close to a hammer, and I feel like their are other wagons with more momentum (hard to tell without an updated tally).

- You are wolf and sushi is town. Using your perfect information of everyone's alignment, you know sushi is town and want to try and buddy up with the top-posting townie and try to get on their good side. I find this one the most likely.

Unvote, Vote: Lassie

Lol and now go do an actual ISO on me, and tell me I'm scum, with more than just this weak theory about how you don't like that I actually feel sure about someone being town.

I'm probably the most obvious town here, and that's not just based on knowing that I am - objectively, I'm the one doing the most solving, sharing the most thoughts, reading the thread and doing ISO's the most.

If you think that is scum indications, then I'm sorry, but I can't help you. Unless you've somehow missed those things in your calculations of my chances of being scum, I'm suspicious of you even reaching this conclusion, that I'm the best vote out of 26 players, where a big bunch have done jack else than excuses.

 

[Lassie]

hmm interesting word filter

 

[Cuthillius]

@Cass I recall having him towards being scummy, from my ISO read.

"Choxorn - 10 posts, scum vibes from his posts, mostly just questions, comments and talk to excuse himself to not have any good reads. Complains about me, Visor and Glossy, with focus on Glossy arguing that it's good for the scum that she posts so much.. Seems more like an excuse to throw shade. Later he votes Cuth, which just seems a bit opportunistic, imo. If Cuth is town, I feel there's a good chance choxorn is scum. Also, this sounds like a scum perspective "Out of all my choices, I'd say Vote: Cuthillius" - choices sounds more like he could pick anyone, and that he doesn't necessarily see these options as scummy."
^ is what I wrote

You do realize that you keep making scummy posts, right?

Bringing up what you said after someone else had had a similar position without being prompted whatsoever is not particularly towny.

 

[Zack]

i post a lot so i'm town how dare you vote me instead of some random lurker

Post 90 more times. Then I'll be convinced of how ing town you are.

 

[Lassie]

But I feel vaguely guilty when I post and it takes up like a third of the page!



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Disagree. I see where you're coming from, but two issues. We are dealing with a culture mash. Explaining what the hell is going on with players is probably going to make communication easier later on. There's no way everyone who's attempting to clarify the general difference in expectations is scum, so frankly I appreciate illumination on this subject. Also, it's Day 1. Still. If anything, I'd like a bit more now so we don't spend time on it later when timing is more critical.

I mean, we've gotten a dozen or more jargon references and acronyms thrown around and having to be explained. Being a bit initially meta about all of this just seems sane.

I think we agree on this, my point was simply that continuing discussion on parts where opinions and disagreements have already been stated, is not going to help us much.

 

[Lassie]

You do realize that you keep making scummy posts, right?

Bringing up what you said after someone else had had a similar position without being prompted whatsoever is not particularly towny.

Duh, I was prompted - she listed me among several other people she wanted opinions from.

 

[Lassie]

Post 90 more times. Then I'll be convinced of how ing town you are.

There's really no reason for this edgy attitude of yours. Welcome on my ignore list(hopefully there is one).

 

[Cuthillius]

Lassie

 

[Takhisis]

I placed my vote on Al Sips for possi-Scum and pressure but AoRN I'm happy to vote either him or Choxorn today. I think Choxorn provides more info in the event of flipping scum and IMO Al Sips should be more clear one way or the other by EoD2.

Unvote
Vote: Choxorn

You're voting Choxorn? That's almost reason enough for me voting you, but sushi and lassie take up more of my attention.

But I feel vaguely guilty when I post and it takes up like a third of the page!

Nah. Every page has thirty posts and your post takes exactly one post, dawg.

Post 90 more times.

Ey! Don't encourage them, dawg!

 

[Zack]

There's really no reason for this edgy attitude of yours. Welcome on my ignore list(hopefully there is one).

I mean you've basically exploded at some very slight pressure. I don't think I crossed any lines, I was quoting a tantrum.

 

[Lassie]

Lassie

Let me just follow your progression here:
You first state that it's scummy of me to respond to Cass' post, claiming I wasn't asked to answer it.
I then explain to you that you missed the part that she actually did ask me to answer.
You then vote me

 

[Lassie]

"This message is hidden because Zack is on your ignore list."
From experience, I know it's for the best to ignore people with childish attitudes. Even if you're scum and it's part of your "tactic", you shouldn't resort to it. Keep the games nice and friendly. My response was actually genuine, that I wanted to see if you'd still consider me scum, if you went and did an ISO on me - cause I doubt you or anyone would after doing that.

 

[Lassie]

Let me just follow your progression here:
You first state that it's scummy of me to respond to Cass' post, claiming I wasn't asked to answer it.
I then explain to you that you missed the part that she actually did ask me to answer.
You then vote me

@Cuth let me get an answer on this now

 

[Legato Endless]

I think we agree on this, my point was simply that continuing discussion on parts where opinions and disagreements have already been stated, is not going to help us much.

Ah I gotcha. My apologies. I'll get better at parsing your posts. Eventually.

You're voting Choxorn? That's almost reason enough for me voting you, but sushi and lassie take up more of my attention.

Sushi and Lassie don't seem like a connected pair up to me. I agree with Zack on that.

Or did you just mean they're hard to ignore?

Nah. Every page has thirty posts and your post takes exactly one post, dawg.

O_O; I never realized.

 

[Takhisis]

Yo, please stop usin' the dang multiquote function, dawg.

 

[Cass_]

Heading out soon so this will be the last post from me until at least later tonight. Also, I've just been reminded that family are coming to stay Feb 4 - 9 Australia time. I won't be as active during that time.

UnVote:Visorslash he has flipped flopped to town on my list, I have been lazy in not unvoting him, I am still suspicious of his conduct in the early part of the day and he should be watched closely, but I see a town player in his recent posts.

My beef about Arakhor it that he is a player I would expect to have voted using in thread reads, rolling a die seems a cop out and does not fit with what I expect from Town Arakhor, please do not mistake me calling him out for his vote - it is the method that does not ring true to me. It screams Wolf-Arakhor Perhaps i'm getting excited over nothing, but there should be enough info around and enough content to get a read on someone.

@Cass, my reasoning for Landlubber, started with the quotes below. Looking back over Zacks accusation of LL over reacting to a single vote and then the back and forth got my interest


I'm interested to know who the "We're" are, and if this phase is so important then perhaps it is worth a wolf defending his rep, the way this is phased makes me think LL has been having private conversations discussing game progress.


This reasoning could be read as; excuse my vote; hes a lurker, pressure him!!!, cast aspersions on potential town leader, i don't want my voting record to be informative in the future.
Overall I get the impression LL wants to blend in, but feels this is an important phase and he must be seen to be town-like.

Vote: Landlubber

Ok for the reasoning about Visor/Arakhor (interesting you use meta here wrt Arakhor, but FoS/WTL others for 'concerned about meta' though). FWIW I agree that 'rolling a die' seems a cop out - especially if he continues that assertion/refusing to elaborate later on.

Ta for progression on LL. Haven't got around to looking at him yet.

Unless I've missed it, you haven't actually answered any of the questions I asked in response to your second quote in #792

Copy-paste in case you missed it:
I'd like to see the interaction between KingMorgan and Arakhor play out a little more. I'm getting too tired for brainwork, quick ISOs show they're both posting with a similar attitude/style. At first I read Arakhor scummy for that, now I'm not so sure.

@ Arakhor - was the vote really random, or does something make you think KingMorgan is scum?

@KingMorgan, can you pls explain:
1. The reasoning for early vote on Visor?
2. Why, for each of your current WTL?
3. Why Glossysushi/Lohren/GK are no longer WTL for you?

I liked your #374/previous WTL and agreed with the rationale for Visor-Sushi scum buddies

Spoiler :

Quote:
Originally Posted by KingMorgan View Post
Your wrong with saying that I always vote you day1 Visor, also odd you claim it? As if to negate the value of vote? I believe there has been 1 occasion for me voting you on the 1st day, 2 if you count today. Probably day2 is my favourite visorvote day.

I like Sushi and Visor for scum buddies, Sushis late arrival in the wolf QT has inspired Visor, hence the strange meta we see, I do feel they are egging each other on to greater heights of fluff and banter. Plenty of back and forth and i'm sure some inside jokes, batter Visor for a bit, do a quick thread pole then introduce a new suspect.

Lynch Pool
Arakhor - he seems worried about meta
golden1knight - i've seen him around, but discourteous not to post some fluff at the very least
Lorenswald - also worried about meta felt the need to post "evidence"
Sushi - scummy, but tries hard
Visor - Complementary about English Cricket = scum

But I'm curious about the progression from there. As far as I can tell you gave no real reasons for Visor/Arakhor=Scum reads at the time of vote/with reads (WRT Visor, English Cricket doesn't count) and I'm curious as to why Glossysushi/Lohrenswald/GK are no longer in your WTL as I don't see much content change in any of their posts beyond one post from GK with a consensus-random vote and Glossy saying she was sorry, which doesn't seem enough.

Just took the time to read through this - if anyone thinks this is a scum, I'm tempted to say "lolol pls uninstall game". But since it's a forum based game, you can't really do that.

I can follow most of her thoughts, even some of those that I don't necessarily agree with, and the post is made unprovoked, early on the very next day of her pretty much being told to stop posting so much. If she's scum, I think she'd just roll with that and not use like half an hour to make such a post, in addition to other posts.

@Cass_ can you link any scum games of Glossy where she posts as much as she has done here? I don't recall ever seeing any scum having 180+ posts on D1(or any day for that matter). I'm asking mostly because I don't get how you can consider her scummy and have her as a "maybe wtl".

And I can see that you're online, so don't try to hide

Glossy may be Town, but lololol at you if you read her Town based solely on post count and effort. This is the game I just finished with her - she won -on involvement and effot- as the last of 3 scum when the other 2 were taken out before D2.

And who's hiding? I'm giving pretty much all my thoughts as I get to them and staying current/posting when I can - online status means nothing since my computer/phone are logged in all the time.

I get the idea that Cass just doesn't want to town read me and Sushi.

This is both kind of gross and kind of correct/not correct.

Gross because I'm putting in a fair bit of work and this is what/how you choose to comment on.

Correct because I don't want to call you Town - you creeped me out early on with dragging me into the 'we're on a wolf team' thing and then your change in play and AFAICT you still haven't answered me on your progression WRT Cuth. I've commented that a lot of your posts seem more Towny since, but ignoring this and calling you Town atp would be silly IMO. TBQF until you answer my questions and maybe even after then I will have a hard time believing you are actually Town this game.

Not correct on Sushi because I'm liking more of what I see from Sushi now and have said as much, with reasons, ITT.
It's not that I don't want to read her Town, it's that I'm reluctant/would be silly to. I was overwhelmed at the time of her early flurry posting and a lot of what concerned me about her then may be recency bias - or she may actually be scum. Until I re-read her posts/ISO eek I don't know which. FWIW she seems less specifically scummier than you. But this alone doesn't make her Town, I'm not ruling out the possibility the two of you are WW and lololol at me if I'm ever silly enough to put her in my Top Town again so early on.

Are we really going to go around in circles again.

I posted a bigarse reads list earlier. I've stated my town and scum reads numerous times.

IIRC you posted a big reads list and have since stated that you are still confident in your Town reads. Aside from that you've voted Al Sips. A fair bit has happened ITT since that reads list and I don't see why it's a problem to clarify where you're at now.

I'm not confident about lynching King Morgan yet, but he's dropped a bit for me. Mostly for that weird post against Cuth using 'we' that sounded a lot less like a joke and more a cheap jab at an easy target. It looks jovial, but it's kind of strained.


Cuth is the town crier no one likes. He's pin balling around and stirring things up. Most of his arguments aren't (yet) really persuasive, even to the people who are defending him, but I'm still not seeing anything scummy about it. Cuth reads to me as really invested and paranoid. He's too reactionary. If he had a team, I'd expect him to land a more meritorious argument by now considering he's in the under gun. (I think, I have no idea what the vote count is.)

Day 1 tenants: I don't lynch new players, either to the site or the game in general. It's graceless, it's not good sportsmanship, and it's against our rational self interest for having more players long term. I also don't like lynching popular perennial Day 1 sacrifices, although that's not really an issue on this site. I also like Sushi's posting anyway, but even if she looked scummy I wouldn't be open to her lynch until day 2. I realize you probably won't like that, but it's a big deal for me. This is something I'm quite vociferous about, and you can check with other players familiar with me, especially from the Playground. It's not indicative of alignment, as I do this regardless of role.

Affectionate Neutral. He's playing the long game. He's showing up, making an effort despite real life issues, and giving the occasional read. Everything looks pretty good, but he's not sticking his head in the ring yet. As another player not particularly inclined or able to do that, I emphasize. Murska's patient, and he's willing to wait. I don't typically come to conclusions about him until a few days have passed normally. I like his posts, but admittedly it's fairly insubstantial currently to make anything definitive of.


I'll second this. Knowing who's actually in contention to die would make analysis a bit easier. We need a bot for a game like this.

Hmm, based on that game I just skimmed, GoldenKnight tends to react pretty energetically when prodded, so...

Unvote;
Vote:GoldenKnight

Thoughts about the game?

Recent thoughts posted, need to ISO GK to check out what I make of the vote, but I again like this post.


Peace out til later, y'all

 

[Cuthillius]

Let me just follow your progression here:
You first state that it's scummy of me to respond to Cass' post, claiming I wasn't asked to answer it.
I then explain to you that you missed the part that she actually did ask me to answer.
You then vote me

can you show me the part that she asked you to answer? i didn't see it in the post above, maybe didn't read carefully enough though.

1) That was a reaction test, and you did not pass
2) I voted you for several reasons
2a) I trust Zack's judgement
2b) I trust my own judgement too
2c) You're making scummy posts
2d) Again, it was a reaction test
2e) Ignoring someone is not a good solution. Actively blocking the posts of anyone you disagree with is not going to help town at all. If anything, just muster enough self-control not to respond or something if that's what you're worrying about.
3) You reacted in a very strange and (as Zack pointed out, but I won't blame you for not excusing yourself because you couldn't see it) are panicking quite a bit compared to the amount of real pressure that's on you. Why is this?