Aspiring Rapper's MAFIA- Game Thread

[Cuthillius]

My point is that scums very rarely writes such amount of posts, especially not in a game with so low activity from the rest of the players and where the high activity isn't even doing any good for her, apparently.
Add to that, that ~9/10 times top posters on D1 are town - at least based on my experience in ~30 games in total.

I guess that clears Visor and me too. Good, I was worrying.

 

[Lassie]

lol

why do you ask?

you know that's a silly thing to say based on the unique conditions of this game

the "unique conditions" in this game actually improves my point, as part of what I just explained to Zack.

 

[Kennigit]

formally that was only 2 scum leans posted by glossy and 3 nulls/can't read (which is perfectly fair)

but basically "oh well 11 players in the game could be scum" isn't that townie like of behaviour

 

[Lassie]

I guess that clears Visor and me too. Good, I was worrying.

To some degree, yes. I'm not interested in lynching any of those with high activity from what I've seen so far. At least not on D1.

 

[Visorslash]

formally that was only 2 scum leans posted by glossy and 3 nulls/can't read (which is perfectly fair)

but basically "oh well 11 players in the game could be scum" isn't that townie like of behaviour

To be fair, the difference in conditions from the sites she normally plays on, to here would highly likely contribute to that

 

[Zack]

My point is that scums very rarely writes such amount of posts, especially not in a game with so low activity from the rest of the players and where the high activity isn't even doing any good for her, apparently.
Add to that, that ~9/10 times top posters on D1 are town - at least based on my experience in ~30 games in total.
Add to that, that I can follow her thought process, that she seems solvy, and she haven't done anything I'd categorize as scummy.
Add to that, that she is currently one of the top wagons.
Then you got the reason that I find it worth to defend her.

In my experience the top posters in a game are usually the same people (edit: from game-to-game, that is). People who post that much tend to post a lot as either alignment. So I find your argument ridiculous, especially considering that postcount number is hugely inflated from all of the triple posts with one sentence each.

 

[Lassie]

formally that was only 2 scum leans posted by glossy and 3 nulls/can't read (which is perfectly fair)

but basically "oh well 11 players in the game could be scum" isn't that townie like of behaviour

I have 7 towards scum + like 4-5 null. This game is by far the one(at least of those I remember) that I see most potential scums on D1. Which is probably related being new, and also the lurking acceptance culture here.

That she has many scum reads mostly just shows that she has suspicion of many, which is towny. Also, considering her situation, having votes on her, if she's scum, it would make a lot more sense for her to town read a lot, to get some friends. Scum reading 11 persons doesn't really help her - so I don't see that as scummy. Also, she's clearly of a level where she doesn't need 11 scum reads, as scum, to be able to vote towns now or later in game.

 

[Lassie]

I mean, even if I'm lolwrong here and she's somehow scum, I'm still amazed that people consider her a good vote/potential scum, while I haven't really seen any convincing argument for it - mostly I just see people complaining about me clearing her, which doesn't really convince me to think otherwise.

 

[Kennigit]

The fundamental difference is--just speaking about me personally--I will never call a person "lock clear" or even really townie, not early on when the scum COULD decide any strategy they want. Buss a teammate day 1? Sure. Split their votes on teammates day 1? Sure. Vote randomly? Sure. Take a flight to dublin and be gone IRL (Bsmith)--just as likely as anyone else.

I have 26 scum leans and 3 are stronger than others at the moment.

 

[Lassie]

In my experience the top posters in a game are usually the same people (edit: from game-to-game, that is). People who post that much tend to post a lot as either alignment. So I find your argument ridiculous, especially considering that postcount number is hugely inflated from all of the triple posts with one sentence each.

In some degree, but almost always, people post more and are more motivated in their posting style, as town. That's what I see from Glossy here. When Cass linked to her scum game, I did take a look at her amount of posting and posting style - and it wasn't in same volume as here, while also less dominant/motivated. She even had a post excusing low activity(early in game though), which I doubt we'll see from her here

 

[Lassie]

The fundamental difference is--just speaking about me personally--I will never call a person "lock clear" or even really townie, not early on when the scum COULD decide any strategy they want. Buss a teammate day 1? Sure. Split their votes on teammates day 1? Sure. Vote randomly? Sure. Take a flight to dublin and be gone IRL (Bsmith)--just as likely as anyone else.

I have 26 scum leans and 3 are stronger than others at the moment.

Lynching people you think is scum is good, but if you can avoid a lynch of someone you believe is most likely town, that is also good. If glossy wasn't a wagon, I wouldn't really care to put in a defense for her like this. But just like I would like to see people lynch someone who I think is scum, I would also like them to not lynch someone I think is town. Simple logic

 

[Lassie]

Anyway, I don't think these opinion discussions about how the game should be played is +EV to spend time on - so I'd like to see some more reads, ISO's and so on. You know; actual game content.

 

[Cuthillius]

Lassie, I know I tend to post more and get more engaged as scum. I've seen many others say this. Not a tell, at least not generally.

 

[Cuthillius]

Anyway, I don't think these opinion discussions about how the game should be played is +EV to spend time on - so I'd like to see some more reads, ISO's and so on. You know; actual game content.

While this is a towny post, that's why it's suspicious.

 

[Takhisis]

I am not Eastern European

Don't be silly, Poland is clearly in Eastern Europe.

He can be in Eastern Europe and silly at the same time.

Just took this from the player roster. Here's my reads list.

You one hilarious dawg, dawg.

okay so what does WTL mean

What Liverpool can't do at all, DJ Lohren-chan.

Anyway, I don't think these opinion discussions about how the game should be played is +EV to spend time on - so I'd like to see some more reads, ISO's and so on. You know; actual game content.

There aint' no game content, normally we'd have lynch and nightkill results by now but atpg ain't givin' us no sugar for some reason.

 

[Lassie]

While this is a towny post, that's why it's suspicious.

 

[Legato Endless]

I'm not confident about lynching King Morgan yet, but he's dropped a bit for me. Mostly for that weird post against Cuth using 'we' that sounded a lot less like a joke and more a cheap jab at an easy target. It looks jovial, but it's kind of strained.

a) Where are you at on Cuth now? What makes/made you read him Town? I'm particularly interested because the main things I'm finding scummy about him this game is his defence of me (which is equally possible as Town and Scum) and his interactions with Visor (who I'm wary of but now looks Town).

Cuth is the town crier no one likes. He's pin balling around and stirring things up. Most of his arguments aren't (yet) really persuasive, even to the people who are defending him, but I'm still not seeing anything scummy about it. Cuth reads to me as really invested and paranoid. He's too reactionary. If he had a team, I'd expect him to land a more meritorious argument by now considering he's in the under gun. (I think, I have no idea what the vote count is.)

b) Why are you biased against lynching Sushi?

Day 1 tenants: I don't lynch new players, either to the site or the game in general. It's graceless, it's not good sportsmanship, and it's against our rational self interest for having more players long term. I also don't like lynching popular perennial Day 1 sacrifices, although that's not really an issue on this site. I also like Sushi's posting anyway, but even if she looked scummy I wouldn't be open to her lynch until day 2. I realize you probably won't like that, but it's a big deal for me. This is something I'm quite vociferous about, and you can check with other players familiar with me, especially from the Playground. It's not indicative of alignment, as I do this regardless of role.

4. Do you have thoughts on Murska atm/What do you make of the rest of his posts?

Affectionate Neutral. He's playing the long game. He's showing up, making an effort despite real life issues, and giving the occasional read. Everything looks pretty good, but he's not sticking his head in the ring yet. As another player not particularly inclined or able to do that, I emphasize. Murska's patient, and he's willing to wait. I don't typically come to conclusions about him until a few days have passed normally. I like his posts, but admittedly it's fairly insubstantial currently to make anything definitive of.

I have 0 idea what the votes are right now and when the timings of votes occurred. The only thing way tucked away in the back of my mind is I think landlubber had switched basically first onto al sipsclar after switching from visorslash--I cannot remember. If the growing steam of al sipsclar votes were like 3 of the scum together to shift away from someone else, that could explain a lot. I strictly assume the 5-6 scums are going to be too scared to actually commit to voting all the same person.

I'll second this. Knowing who's actually in contention to die would make analysis a bit easier. We need a bot for a game like this.

Hmm, based on that game I just skimmed, GoldenKnight tends to react pretty energetically when prodded, so...

Unvote;
Vote:GoldenKnight

Thoughts about the game?

 

[Takhisis]

Also, people, do use yer brains an' use the multiquote function. This ain't no chatroom, boys and girls.

 

[Cass_]

If I can interject, my vote for Choxorn was because he felt like the most scummy person in the game at the time. I arrived at this conclusion with the idea that the post flood by Cuth, Visor and Sushi, none of whom I want to lynch yet because they are actively generating content (though I find Visor-scum the most likely out of the three and Sushi-scum the least likely), would lead to a number of bad guys to try and hide behind low activity while still showing signs of following the game and trying to distance themselves from the main debate.

I skimmed a bunch of people in isolation, choosing from those who had voted, weren't voting for Visor or Cuth and had posted only a little. Choxorn felt the worst out of all those.

Choxorn is the one I would lynch now if I had the choice. However, since there's no impetus in that direction right now, and specifically I understand my conclusions aren't very solid yet, I've moved my vote to Sips on the basis that he was also one of the suspicious-looking people and several others seem to agree on that.

Though if he were a wolf lying low, after pressure started mounting on him I feel he'd try to say something. But he might just be away at the moment.

I like the clarification/can follow the reasoning here and I agree with Visor>Sushi scum right now.
FTR I thought the vote was good insofar as a prod on an inactive but I didn't like rest of the post that went with it because of the setting of the vote in between 'Ugh. So many pages. Off to lectures now.' and what I read as overly general reasoning. Having just had a look at Choxorn's ISO I actually don't disagree and would like to see what others have said/have more people weigh in on Choxorn, especially:

Edse
Visor
Lassie
Zack
Glossy
Mat
Cuth

who he weighs in on in his posts.

Basically his possible content-related posts are:

- In on a 'mislynch of Edse' and then unvote later because Edse hadn't posted more
- Silly jokes early on and throughout the game is farily typical of Zack regardless of his role
- Reply to prod from Murska:
Claiming he didn't have enough to go on to scumhunt/he's not effective scumhunter for first 2-3 days;
Defending Visor
FoSing Glossy by sheeping Pouter
- Reply to Zack
Calling Cuth, Landlubber and Glossy Scummy; and Zack/Visor Town
Unvoting Edse
Hedging on Mat and Lassie

And the rest of it is fluff/complaint about the volume/speed of the game. Nothing stands out as overly Towny IMO. Given that and his stances in comparison with my own reads I don't think he's a bad push for scum and can see his flip being quite useful information-wise.

I placed my vote on Al Sips for possi-Scum and pressure but AoRN I'm happy to vote either him or Choxorn today. I think Choxorn provides more info in the event of flipping scum and IMO Al Sips should be more clear one way or the other by EoD2.

Unvote
Vote: Choxorn

 

[Lassie]

@Cass I recall having him towards being scummy, from my ISO read.

"Choxorn - 10 posts, scum vibes from his posts, mostly just questions, comments and talk to excuse himself to not have any good reads. Complains about me, Visor and Glossy, with focus on Glossy arguing that it's good for the scum that she posts so much.. Seems more like an excuse to throw shade. Later he votes Cuth, which just seems a bit opportunistic, imo. If Cuth is town, I feel there's a good chance choxorn is scum. Also, this sounds like a scum perspective "Out of all my choices, I'd say Vote: Cuthillius" - choices sounds more like he could pick anyone, and that he doesn't necessarily see these options as scummy."
^ is what I wrote