Aspiring Rapper's MAFIA- Game Thread

Vote:Lassie still works for me.
Why?

So there was a big last-minute choxorn wagon near eod, and yet no one has indicated any desire to lynch him today even though nothing about him has changed. Are Visor and Mat really better candidates?
What do you think? You voted Arakhor over Choxorn yesterday, where do you stand on him today, compared with other candidates?
I could still vote there aorn.

I still haven't actually seen anything in favour of this, except a few vague feelings, and my interactions with other scums.

Your ego, and arrogance in all of your comments makes you my policy lynch. unvote; vote:Lassie Especially with your reaction to Zack in day 1.

That being said, Cuth I think is most likely scum. Glossy is getting to me, although how much of that is OMGUS im not sure. Otherwise my previous reads remain as such. With LL slightly more scummy than before. Zack marginally more townie.

1. Is this a slip? Which Scum are you referencing with the bold?


to be clear i found his posts at the beginning interacting with Lassie about Mat lacking

but it makes sense now
How?


Cuth:



And the wagon pushing just before deadline.

Al Sips, mainly by links to Cuth, if Cuth flips I'm 99% sure on Al. As in the pushing everyone but Al for a possible lynch (/exaggeration on everyone. But out of lynch possibilities) And general agreement on other people's view on him.

King. Gut. Starting scummy (as per meta), but not being scummy anymore. Once there was a few posts on it. Hard to quantify much more than gut.
I like the point WRT Al Sips-Cuth, although I would tend to read it that it makes Cuth more likely scum if Al flips scum, especially if Edse is Town.

Oh, there's no vote on you. Hmm, nvm, I take back the Visor/Takhsis aren't teamed statement.
I don't get it? I think Visor's random early Town read on Tak from one post makes it at least somewhat likely they're WW if one flips scum. Thoughts?

Okay. I ISO'ed your posts and Ctrl+F'ed "Backwards" and the few of your posts that were too long to show up entirely in ISO I looked at the entirety of.
Spoiler :

As far as I can tell, you mentioned Backwards Logic a grand total of one time before you made that vote, in this post:

And it's one sentence buried in a sea of other reads.
[/spoilered]
So, "I've been pushing Backwards this entire game" my foot, Visor.

It's just sort of the way Takhisis plays, regardless of alignment. I tend to just mark him as a null read because his in-thread behavior is too weird to read accurately, and I know I've on multiple occasions read him as scum when he wasn't, or even assumed he had to be scum when he wasn't because I was getting townier reads on the actual scum.

His signature on the .org includes a quote from another player about how he's the scummiest townie of all time, which is more or less accurate.

Basically, I think he could be townie, he could be scum, but trying to analyze his in-thread behavior is an exercise in futility.
Spoiler :


Do you find Visor scummy for that Choxorn? The bold suggests you feel rather strongly about it, but you don't vote - why?
Having seen Takhisis Town, does he ever contribute meaningfully, in a way that can be deciphered?

The spoilered was literally quoted in the post above you a few hours before to make the same point.

There are an infinite number of universes where this could be the case.
But none of them exist.
That read is so mindboggingly bad I can't believe you actually think it.
You're mindboggling this game!

Off the top of my head, your Town read on Takhisis makes no sense from one post, or even from everything he's posted; your first read on Choxorn was deliberately hedgey suggesting he could go either way but seemed scummy, and then you changed and read him Town with no reasons, why?

What's your read on Takhisis now? How do you read him Town? Have you ever seen him contribute appropriately/helpfully as Town? Is he worth keeping around?
Why'd you drag me out of nowhere into the 'we're scum' discussion involving Cuth, Newyn and yourself?


That's fair.

I haven't exactly been giving this game my all. I was in a longer game on DM when this game started with insane post count, cased and read and tried really hard, only to find out around the same time this game started that it was a cult game and that all my efforts were futile. That game ended about an hour before EOD1 here. Since then I've been feeling a bit burned out.

I'll still try to read and work my way through this game and help Village as much as I can. And at this point there's really no other way for me to do it than reading ISOs and coming to a conclusion about people.

Yesterday I voted you because you were the scummiest of people that I had ISOed, but I hope I can find some clearer scums today.

I think I'll focus on the players who seem to be under fire so far toDay; Visor, Lassie, Cuth, and with a second tier of Cass, Zack, Mat93. If I should include some more, please lmk.

Tonight, however, I'm grabbing the game host and taking him out for a night in Oslo with good food and a Jim Gaffigan show, so my efforts will be minimal for the next several hours.

Hopefully that's the end of excuses I'll have to make for this game.

FTR willing to give Sooh another day. @Sooh - lmk what you come up with on Legato also?
 
Here's what I got from Legato ISO, beginning to #1445 p.37

Up to 1445 p 37

General
D1 - Large amount of fluff relative to actual contributions. Provides reasonable meta on Cuth/Edse but doesn't provide specific examples/do work/investigate. Lots of comments without analysis/opinions. Off wagon D1.

Spoiler :

ACTIONS
D1
Defends Sushi #809 - has a lot of potential/biased against (overly defensive/over explains #877) #1088; pushes Lassie for 'locking town', comments but doesn't comment on reads
Defends Cuth - on general meta, one specific example 'hypocrisy thing with Zack'; general again #877
Votes Choxorn sheeping Murska
Suggests Edse ok lynch
Questions Cuth
FoS/WTL Jarema 'reasons'
Fos KM for 'we'
Backs of Choxorn when questioned for logic
Reads Murska affectionate neutral
#877 Votes GK
tends to react pretty energetically when prodded, so… Thoughts about the game?
Slight Fos at Choxorn and Cass (sheeping Sips on vote thing) #1088
#1226 Counters Zack that Arakhor's claim is a ploy
#1229 Likes Pouter's late push, Votes Edse

D2
#1445 Questions LL why vote on Lassie
#1445 Votes Cass 'stylistic quirk'

++++ TOWNY ++++
Gives correct/believable meta on Cuth

- - - SCUMMY - - -
READS W/O THINKING/SEARCHING
- #594 Cuth on general meta, no specifics from current game
- #694 Cass have we played together?
This goes nowhere - no questioning, only replies to my questions #801. No questions/comments of his own.
- #594 Comments these reads list good/bad example - w/o reads/questions of his own
- #594 Vote on Choxorn sheeping Murska's 'reads'
Reply to questions on this mostly ok but vague at end and never confirmed understanding
- Said 'tempting' Re Choxorn at EoD but voted Edse - who arguably is playing the same as last game/provides less info
- #707 Could switch to Jarema 'as well as for meta reasons that I'll leave out because meta apology'
Reply to questions on this in #801 'general town meta + here he looks like he's struggling to put in effort- that's a bit of scum tell for him at times' - general meta only, no proof/examples?
- #801 Comments on Glossy's reads list 'this is much better, thank you' - but no commentary/criticism/questions


FLUFF
Intro Complains about volume, asks for cliffs
Complains but won't skim
Says will vote
Fluff/throwaway comments with
Visor, Sushi, Cuth, Sooh, Arakhor, Takhisis, Cuth, Arakhor, Tak, Lassie
#594 Activity - may not be effective as town/will have to skim
#606 Activity notice
#634 Scum D1 etc
#706 Activity
#706 Heading to burnout
#707 Good to see humour/activity
#801 'lock town' Lassie Sushi large, no actual criticsm/agreement wrt Sushi. No questioning of Lassie
#882
#897
#1088 apart from slight FoS @Choxorn/Cass and defence Cuth
#1226
#1445

 
What do you think? You voted Arakhor over Choxorn yesterday, where do you stand on him today, compared with other candidates?
I could still vote there aorn.
tbf mat and visor exploded in scumminess since I made that post, so I think they actually are better candidates than choxorn atm. At the time I made that post, I would have said choxorn was better and a fine candidate for the lynch - which is still true, but I think there are a few better choices.

Mostly I find it weird that people who were willing enough to speedwagon onto choxorn at eod yesterday now seem to not even think about him at all.
 
Edse, do you have a vote in play? I didn't see in on the last few pages. And with the thread kind of mired, an influx of something would be nice.

As you noticed when you counted, no.

Do you think Visor has been more or less helpful to Town? Where/why/how?
Do you have reads on anybody right now?

Spoiler :
latest

Cuthillius is right, I'm lazy town, but I'm going to make a list (I've never done it before I believe). I've checked the post history of the people that haven't posted mush. It's not possible for those who have posted a lot, but I have skimmed through every post "continuously", so I can write down the general feeling I have for them.

Colour scale from towniest to scumiest: 1 2 3 4 5

Players that have posted less than me:
al sipsclar: Have troubles keeping up with the thread. Nothing
autolycus: Goes missing from time to time, nothing weird.
backwards logic: Didn't catch my joke but then posted a wall I agree with.
bsmith: Not much.
golden1knight: Nothing
newyn: Talks about bussing with Visor.
xym: Slippery.

The medium posters
jarrema: Pushed Arakhhor's lynch until the end.
sooh: Tries to be helpful.
cass_: Is helpfull.
takhisis: His normal roleplaying self.

The ones I don't have time to write something about
choxorn:
kingmorgan:
landlubber:
legato endless:
lohrenswald:
mat93:
murska:

The "Top Posters"
glossysushi: Posts a lot.
cuthilius: Respond by posting a lot.
lassie:
zack: Grumpy.
visorslash: Same as Zack.

Now I'm out of time, Vote: Cuthillius
 
I was unaware that defending myself from the accusations was 'whining'.
It is when you complainin' all the time, dawg. But I seed your apology so you's cool, for now.
Why would I bus my teammates in a game like this? Preposterous.
Why indeed? One must get philosophical to answer this. Is that whine in front of ye?
What do you think of Tahksis?
I for one be thinkin' he one cool cat, yo.
Vote: Tahksis

Now tell me about your reads.
I'm reading Thomas Mann's The Magic Mountain, recently I also done read James Clavells' Whirlwind and Tai-pan. You could just use the book thread in OT to keep track, yo.
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Your European morality can't be imposed on us! Rappin' must be done freestyle or not at all, brotha.

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This. Has anyone ever seen Tak play Town? When everyone says he's always unreadable, is he?
He played much like this last game I played with him and he was Scum. I don't know what to do with that if he's 'always' unreadable. The tactic's more suited to scum because it leaves impossible spew and forces Town to pick between other 'scummy' lynch candidates and taking out someone who basically gives them nothing. Based on past experience I personally think we need to ignore it, and then kill it with fire. I'd be interested to hear from anyone who's seen Town Tak though - is he ever worth keeping around?
If I's scummy, there's not nightkillin' done on me, who's a poor defenseless vanilla townie.
Cass_ said:
Spoiler :
I know I shouldn't encourage him, but I couldn't help it.

Yo' Takhisis? What's yo' thesis?
Whoz Hood, girl-dawg? Whoz Scum? All yo' posts are jus' full trollin
Don't you peep our homie donkeys rollin? Thugs be hustlin
hard but you jus' lollin'

I guess Red-folk ain't resentin yo' lack of representin
I wonder if dis yo' tactic ...
Like las' game, you ain't blue so you jus' play sick?

Yo, dawg, someone tryin' ta put out some rhymes at long last! Good one, ma girl!
Yo, obviously, town be me, cool DJ Tak, ya.
Clear reads ain't goet yet, but never fear, if I's scummy and not clean-cut townie I can always get a whisper in the wind.

Whom should I represent, sista?
There ain't nothin', not one cool mista.
No one rhymes, there's so much grime… what you gonna do?

what you gonna do?
what you gonna do?


Thanks for da sugar, girl.
 
He be sayin' that sooh be failin' and/or pretendin', while cass_ ain't, yo.
An' also, OH- MAI- GAWD, YOU SUCK. vote:Glossysushi
 
FTR willing to give Sooh another day. @Sooh - lmk what you come up with on Legato also?
Will do. As of right now all I remember from reading his posts is smiling and nodding, which in terms of general likeableness might suggest that he is scummy, but I'll take a look.

He be sayin' that sooh be failin' and/or pretendin', while cass_ ain't, yo.
An' also, OH- MAI- GAWD, YOU SUCK. vote:Glossysushi

That'll be failing.

I am failing.
 
I don't get it? I think Visor's random early Town read on Tak from one post makes it at least somewhat likely they're WW if one flips scum. Thoughts?

This is why I grouped them together. I think they could be w/w.

FTR, Cass's later interactions with Visor look good for her. I am not willing to lynch her today, so people back off.

Sooh is also looking good, and edse and choxorn's latest posts are pretty townie.

I'd like to lynch within Visor, Takhsis, Mat93, and King Morgan today.
 
I can agree on the Cuth meta, but I'm wavering on whether Legato calling it out and being so strong-minded about it early on is towny itself. Why is it Towny?
After ISO, I don't see a whole lot of work going into his read of Cuth for this game - just assurance that Cuth would be different if Scum. I think it's probably too much to be WW(?) but I'm concerned about the possibility of TMI.

I actually would really agree with you here.

Soon after I made this post irt Legato/Cuth, I reevaluated and said that it could possibly be like what I did for Celeste in WoW, in which I hard defended her as a wolf when she was town.

If Cuth is town, it makes sense to have a world in which Legato is scum.

I think one out of the two has to be scum. That's either Cuth who is fooling Legato thoroughly, or Legato, who is pocketing Cuth (or attempting to). I am more convinced by the second option.
 
@Cuth



Does this smell rotten to you?

She lynches one of you guys (presumably you flip villager), oh, must be the other one.

Smells like bulldust to me,

What's wrong with this?

I don't think that both of you are wolves, though it could be a possibility. I'm more convinced that one out of the two of you is a wolf.

Both of you are too wolfy to both be villagers, lol.
 
This is why I grouped them together. I think they could be w/w.

FTR, Cass's later interactions with Visor look good for her. I am not willing to lynch her today, so people back off.

Sooh is also looking good, and edse and choxorn's latest posts are pretty townie.

I'd like to lynch within Visor, Takhsis, Mat93, and King Morgan today.

Ah, yes.

I forgot Jarrema. I wouldn't mind lynching him today either. The case on Visor did not feel substantial, and more like a temporary 'meta-consistent' thing that Jarrema apparently does every game.

What's even more curious is that Jarrema apparently usually reads Visor wrong and reads him as wolf when he's not, but in this game, Jarrema has backed off of Visor.

Visor also apparently reads Jarrema well, but isn't calling the dude out for scummy behavior.

This is most certainly w/w behavior.
 
That'll be failing.

I am failing.
Don't worry, we can fix dat, mah good gurl.
way to OMGUS
Compliment's appreciated, yo.
Glossysushi said:
do you actually have any game-related thoughts? Can you stop being so difficult?
Dang, ma girl! O' course I have game-related thoughts. Here's one: learn how ta multiquote. We'd have a lot less pages if ye had jist done that.
 
Do you find Visor scummy for that Choxorn? The bold suggests you feel rather strongly about it, but you don't vote - why?

I'm leaning back and forth between Visor and Cuthillius right now. Pretty sure one of them is scum, but not sure which one. Starting to get much more wolfy vibes from Visor, though- he still hasn't addressed the point Zack and I brought up about how he only mentioned Backwards once and claimed he'd been "pushing him all game." I don't get how he could think that when he clearly hasn't been pushing Backwards all game.

Also, he seems to call out practically every vote as being silly that "obviously" are voting for townies. Gives me a pretty PIS-y vibe, how could a legitimate townie be that sure that half the players are townie on day 2?

I'll keep my vote on Cuthillius for now, but I really would like an explanation about the Backwards thing.

So, @Visor: You said you'd been pushing Backwards this entire game. A quick look through your posts shows that was clearly not factual. Can you explain?

Having seen Takhisis Town, does he ever contribute meaningfully, in a way that can be deciphered?

Sometimes, yes, but sometimes he just posts silly things and does little but be a distraction.

I'm not going to complain too hard if he gets lynched, but I think there's scummier candidates out there.

The spoilered was literally quoted in the post above you a few hours before to make the same point.

I didn't pay close enough attention to Zack's post and honestly didn't realize he'd quoted that and made that same point. My bad.
 
Here's where I'm at atp with everyone left on the board.

TOWNISH
Zack -D1 - Needs ISO. First impression is Towny/doesn't fabricate reads/doing actual work to check things out etc. Back and forth with LL #645, #646, #655, #656, #659, #660. ? WIFOM push at Visor #1478, Votes Lassie for defence of Suhsi -need to check out post and place on train. D2 Questions Sushi's Pouter sheeping onto Mat, does obvious work in checking it out #1351, #1352, #1363 - unlikely W/W; questions why Visor/Mat after push for CFD Choxorn.

Glossysushi - Needs ISO/read linked Town game. Some weird pushes/cases on me, didn't seem interested earlier ?overwhelmed/bias, EoD1 beginning D2 good questioning, mindmeld thought process demonstrated ITT. CFD to Choxorn but ?too late.

Lohrenswald - based on early feels - needs ISO. Voted Lassie EoD1

NULL

Bsmith - Four posts, talk about volume, no leans but would lean away from Visor vote. Vote Arakhor, Cuth or Arakhor top choices (first on train/day before EoD1/Arakhor lynch). Interest in Visor calling him Town is slightly Towny. Weighs in at EoD, suggests Arakhor better to discuss -good point, sees no reason to remove vote.

Murska - Needs review. Didn't like his entry post. Reasoning given with vote on Choxorn was prod - liked this/independent thought process . Later says main reason was because he found him mostly scummy. Only elaborated on Choxorn once vote was highlighted as scummy. Not really much to lean him either way without flips. Current suspicion probably mostly tinfoil. Like that he's not giving Visor a pass for changing his behaviour. His switch to Al Sips fits with his earlier WTL but reasoning is weak/Al Sips easy lynch. Voted Arakhor EoD, need to check placement and progression.

Sooh - relatively MIA D1 (DM game), doesn't share scum-lean on Lassie early on, makes good points wrt Glossy being outside scum meta, sheeps Glossy. Can't remember other reads. CFD'd to Choxorn sheeping Sushi. Need ISO/want to see more.

Landlubber - ISO complete to #1415 p36 Adamant about marked difference between Visor's early and later play. Vote consistent with focus. Sudden unvote #509 'behaviour isn't scummy anymore'. Back and forth with Zack towny tone. Votes Lassie EoD. Progression to vote on Lassie very vague in comparison to other votes (Visor, Al Sips). D2 - starts with re-vote on Lassie then reconsiders, moves to Mat. No reasons given thus far.

Mat93 - Need to read. Impression is large, mostly fluff posts with little hunt/focus. ?too many other players with vague suspicion. Voted Arakhor. ?slip 'other wolves'

Jarrema - Needs ISO . Votes Visor off the bat, backs it up after catch-up (high activity/not typical Visor style. I don't know what's happening to him).Votes Lassie sheeping Zack . Pushes Visor #329 - @Visor - such activity is not helpful. Lassie, you are second in the line. (Why Lassie?? GS higher post count). Hammer on Arakhor over Choxorn

Lassie - Needs ISO. Answers questions. Name thing/initial scum read on me for vote off. Lock Town Sushi, concern with my read of her seems OTT considering I'm not voting there. Switches between Arakhor and Choxorn CFD and back slightly suss. Makes sense from Town perspective that you try and keep yourself in the game but eh.D2 attitude/reads no reasons, no investigation demonstrated ITT.


SCUMMY

Cuthilius - Need actual ISO, since have just being going on impressions here and there. Defence of me sus but probably null, push on Edse and then 180 suspicious (questioned). Flipflops on Legato middle-end D1, V

Xym - thread consensusy, says not caught up but posts thought-out posts, sheeps Kennigit on and off Arakhor. Unvote post ?buddyish/ATE. Questioned here with no replies. Vote on Al Sips seems bandwaggony/sus. Asked why vote Al Sips, no replies. Scummy.

Edse - much the same as last game, overly consensusy, low posting with opportunistic votes. Train dropped by Cuth after pointed out may be easy mislynch;

Newyn - D1 - possibly worst in involvement in early Cuth/Newyn/Visor 'fellow' wolf thing. Starts it after ?obvRVS vote on Visor by Cuth, continues it beyond both Visor/Cuth. Two posts since then: Fluff with Lassie early on, joins rapid vote train on Lassie, mostly for attitude.

Choxorn - Lack of effort/questionning/analysis. Makes excuses due to volume. Sheeps Pouter to FoS Glossy.

Visorslash - prolonged 'I'm Scummy/dragging me into the 'we're on a scum team' thing out of the blue; several FoS at me but not elaborated/very little questioning, the 'don't want to put in effort' vibe followed by the switch under pressure. Has missed answering some questions, particularly wrt Cuth. Don't mind push on Al Sips, voted Arakhor amongst lols away from here at EoD. Reads on Tak and Choxorn concerning.

Kingmorgan - lack of reasoning/progression on WTL, don't trust/understand stance on Visor. Votes Lassie 5th into original fast train over Al Sips (WTL) with null reasoning and never having mentioned Lassie before. Replied to questions, initially missed some, didn't provide all reasons.

Al sipsclar - Nothing like last game so far ?due to volume. FoS at me and quick resolve, doesn't answer questions. Sheeps onto
Choxorn @EOD1. Says not following thread but doesn't like Lassie/Arakhor wagons. Expected him to have commented/questioned something else by now.

Legato endless -Provides Meta read on Cuth/Edse but reconsidering motive -? TMI/Scum, TMI? Low-work reads, hedgy pushes as per ISO. EoD Vote on Edse.


NO IDEA

Autolycus - One post. Votes Zack on cursory scan. Doesn't answer why.

Golden1knight - One post ?'random' vote on Cuth

Backwards logic - Two posts. Entry votes Edse for opportunism (mislynch of Zack vote). Frustration with volume/meta. ?genuine?

Takhisis - Needs ISO. Impression is much like last time - he be lollin' and not much else. Several soft-push questions/statements. Votes off wagon on Sushi.
 
Actually, I didn't even check the tally on sushi.

My reasons for votin' him/her are
  1. Greasysushi's votin' for the only proven townie I know, i.e. me
  2. Posts so damn much the thread's unreadable
  3. Ain't even tryin' ta do some roleplayin' an' rhymin', man, what's the point then?

Also, don't mind the chox-dawg, he still mad that I nailed him in BL's game way back.
 
If the post is over five lines long I probably skip reading jt.

If the post is made.by certain people, I generally skip reading it.

Many of you have seen my town game.in action numerous times.

Take a look at my most recent scum game.here, tell me how many posts I had.

On a pure post count read I am always town. I simply am not going to post 200 times d1 as scum. Many of you have seen my scum game, I am not exactly as bastion of activity on d1

@choxorn and zack

I mention backwards a few times more I am pretty sure

But I don't care to look it up
 
Nit that I think it matters if I did prove you wrong, your reads would not change, and I wouldn't expect any different from either of you
 
Jarrema is a scummy poster but I think he tries to get me killed here if he is scum

I don't know if zack is just defending his partner backwards or just has a hardon for going against my reads like in pirate ship when I wanted Autolycus and Ishmael killed when they were scum and he was constantly arguing against it
 
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