Aspiring Rapper's MAFIA- Game Thread

[Visorslash]

unfortunately i can't argue that coming into the thread guns blazing on a teammate is against my meta

but i am not scum partners with him

Why would this even be on your mind if you are town? Why would you have your scum meta first and foremost?

 

[Visorslash]

I should have done what I wanted to originally and done no work D1 because at least it would stop be getting autolynched in the future when I decide I don't want to go hard.

 

[Visorslash]

I'm done whining now. THe game can continue.

Self voting would be the icing on the cake, but I won't do that.

GLGL

don't kill Jarrema

 

[Lohrenswald]

Can I request a tally?

I am still very uncertain about Visorslash's play, but It seems to me like he's the one with most votes now, so I'll pressure vote: Takhisis my bitter rival

 

[choxorn]

@choxorn and zack

I mention backwards a few times more I am pretty sure

But I don't care to look it up

Alright then. I double checked by looking at the printable version of the thread with 40 posts/page, and Ctrl+F'ed "Visorslash" to take a quick look at all of your posts.

And you know what, you're right, we did miss a few:

Maybe I'm missing the joke on a joke, but I thought edses post was quite obvious.

FoS: on BL for now, awaiting reply.

Fair enough, you're legitimately suspecting BL here.

Will talk after the game about it. Sort of off topicy.

On topic:

Town
autolycus
bsmith
glossysushi
choxorn
jarrema
kennigit
kingmorgan
landlubber
lassie
legato endless
lohrenswald
pouter pigeon
takhisis
visorslash
xym
murska
sooh

Neutral
al sipsclar
cuthilius
edse
golden1knight
mat93

Scum
zack
backwards logic
arakhor
cass_
newyn

He's in your scum reads, sure.

So by my count you mentioned him three times in this thread before you voted him, two in a post where you also mentioned everyone else. You made nearly 250 posts before you made that vote, and mentioned plenty of other people, but not Backwards.

You certainly haven't been "pushing him all game" if you can even consider the little you've said about him to be pushing him at all, and even saying that you "heavily suspected him D1" he's "been in your scum reads all game" is disingenuous because the only times he's been in your scum reads lists was when you listed all the players, not just 3 or 4.

You know what, I have a theory now. You say you've mentioned him more than this, and I actually think that maybe you have mentioned him more than this- in private, in the mafia QT. Because if not I don't know where else you're getting this notion that you've been consistently pushing or even mentioning Backwards. It's just a theory and it's a bit tinfoily, but combined with some of your other strange behavior, it's enough to make me Unvote, Vote: Visorslash.

 

[landlubber]

Some general thoughts:

Backwards Logic's frustrated second post sounds genuine to me. He's an "old guard" type player, he's probably been on this site the longest out of anyone playing in this game. I'm not saying I'd clear him based on that, but he'd make that post regardless of what alignment he is just because he cares about being an active participant.

My vote on Lassie was really just because I get a bad feeling from the way he articulates his reads. It seems like every few hours he has a new "guaranteed scum team" based on the relationships between certain players, which are mostly sort of tenuous IMO. He's trying to jockey the lynch in a certain direction, but he's never seemed genuine about his convictions. That's a red flag for me, and I'd still be okay with his lynch today.

Visor's annoyance is a little scummy for me. I think I've seen him get this frustrated in both alignments, but this goes back to the whole "I'm angry because I'm being lynched for the wrong reasons" thing. He doesn't see his easygoing D1 as scummy, and he's upset that he's being lynched for that instead of actual scumtells. I could see that being the case, and picking a fight with Zack isn't something I'd normally expect town Visor to do.

 

[Takhisis]

Told ya to start multi-quotin', DJ Slash. You ain't givin' me no choice, mang.

vote:Visorslash

 

[Zack]

I do, sorry. We always fight in every game and I'm tired of it to be quite honest.

I'm sure you'll spin what I've said to be magically anti town but I'm not interested anymore.

nah go look at underground for example - I defended you HARD from bandwagons forming on you, even after you reduced my strength and called me scummy, then you kept picking at me and trying to get me to suicide, and I still did not push to lynch you until every other option was exhausted and you were already back to frothing at the mouth for my head. Which was frustrating, yeah, but I never accused you of having a grudge against me, and I certainly didn't and don't have one with you.

I have no bone to pick and am perfectly willing to work with you. You're only mad now cause you got caught, which is understandable, but I do not come into games searching to pick fights with you. Hell I defended you up until a few pages ago. Even after I switched my stance on you, I limited it to analysis from this thread, but YOU made it personal in post #1560 in way that was totally unnecessary. I was way late to the party on calling you scummy and you singled me out (from many) for no reason.

so yeah, it's ridiculous to suggest I'm only voting you because I have an eternal petty vendetta to see you die every game, and I'm offended you would seriously even say that. I'd appreciate it if you refrained from attacks on my character and calling everyone in this community an idiot (like you did in #1571). You've done nothing at all to defend yourself other than ad hominem and the same tired metagame bs (which you've used as scum fyi, see: High Society Mafia).

 

[Zack]

only blood feud i have with you is I'm blue and you're red

 

[Glossysushi]

I'm done whining now. THe game can continue.

Self voting would be the icing on the cake, but I won't do that.

GLGL

don't kill Jarrema

lol...

Vote: Visorslash

 

[KingMorgan]

Vote:Visorslash

Not much more to be said really.

 

[Glossysushi]

Ithink cuth might be town sadly

Just having a bad game

generally it's said you should ignore the spew of a condemned wolf, but I think that this is okay to trust.

 

[choxorn]

Tally: (I think it's accurate, not 100% sure)

Visorslash: 8 (Cuthillius, Lassie, Glossysushi, Zack, Murska, choxorn, Takhisis, KingMorgan)
Lassie: 1 (Mat93)
Cuthillius: 1 (edse)
Mat93: 1 (landlubber)
Cass: 1 (Legato Endless)
Backwards Logic: 1 (Visorslash)
Sooh: 1 (Jarrema)
Legato Endless: 1 (Cass)
Takhisis: 1 (Lohrenswald)

Not Voting: 8 (Al Sipsclar, Autolycus, Backwards Logic, BSmith1068, Golden1Knight, Newyn, Sooh, Xym)

 

[Cass_]

tbf mat and visor exploded in scumminess since I made that post, so I think they actually are better candidates than choxorn atm. At the time I made that post, I would have said choxorn was better and a fine candidate for the lynch - which is still true, but I think there are a few better choices.

Mostly I find it weird that people who were willing enough to speedwagon onto choxorn at eod yesterday now seem to not even think about him at all.

IMO players who were previously willing to vote him/called him scummy but didn't vote him when they had the chance are just as/more concerning - ie. Murska, Legato, Lassie.

What are your reasons for thinking Choxorn is/was a good candidate for scum? I haven't seen if you've actually given/explained a read on him? You also didn't give your opinion when I called you and the others out for consolidation.
Which of the people willing to CFD do you find most suspect and why?

As you noticed when you counted, no.

Spoiler :

Spoiler :

Cuthillius is right, I'm lazy town, but I'm going to make a list (I've never done it before I believe). I've checked the post history of the people that haven't posted mush. It's not possible for those who have posted a lot, but I have skimmed through every post "continuously", so I can write down the general feeling I have for them.

Colour scale from towniest to scumiest: 1 2 3 4 5

Players that have posted less than me:
al sipsclar: Have troubles keeping up with the thread. Nothing
autolycus: Goes missing from time to time, nothing weird.
backwards logic: Didn't catch my joke but then posted a wall I agree with.
bsmith: Not much.
golden1knight: Nothing
newyn: Talks about bussing with Visor.
xym: Slippery.

The medium posters
jarrema: Pushed Arakhhor's lynch until the end.
sooh: Tries to be helpful.
cass_: Is helpfull.
takhisis: His normal roleplaying self.

The ones I don't have time to write something about
choxorn:
kingmorgan:
landlubber:
legato endless:
lohrenswald:
mat93:
murska:

The "Top Posters"
glossysushi: Posts a lot.
cuthilius: Respond by posting a lot.
lassie:
zack: Grumpy.
visorslash: Same as Zack.

Now I'm out of time, Vote: Cuthillius

OK
Why Cuth out of all the top posters?
Why the difference in colours for Sushi, Cuth and Visor if the reasons are all high posting?
Why is Sooh Scummy for trying to be helpful?
Why Kingmorgan?
Why is Xym slippery?
Also IMO it's probably easier/ more useful if you order lists to match your leans.

Thanks for da sugar, girl.

Ho, Tak

Yo gone an read me whack dude, dat post ain't sugar/wasn't nice
Rappin was jus a way ta gather yo' attention n' serve a lil spice

Spoiler :

True blue representin' Is searchin redz wit sense n' no relentin
Not postin all-rhyme-no-reason, half-quipped-thoughts of maybe-treason
Nor worryin' yo own darn donkey gon' be a target for hunting season
Don't tell us youz struglin to be makin readz, straight up stranger, pleaz
Wit brains what know Mann, Clavell, Tai-pan
If youz making comments, den youz thinkin stuff n' read n' write you surely can
Yo dome, it may be pretty dope but
wit no respect fo' effort in da game it's lame
youz either RED or got no hope
Step up now n' Recognize
Opinionz is what's right
Clipped one liners/raps dat youz VT/wine bout whine up in front of he
May be trick but
That attitudez not worthy if youz fo' shizzle real true BLUE, like me.

TLDR
Seriously. OMGUS doesn't count. What's your reads?

way to OMGUS
do you actually have any game-related thoughts? Can you stop being so difficult?

This is why I grouped them together. I think they could be w/w.

FTR, Cass's later interactions with Visor look good for her. I am not willing to lynch her today, so people back off.

Sooh is also looking good, and edse and choxorn's latest posts are pretty townie.

I'd like to lynch within Visor, Takhsis, Mat93, and King Morgan today.

I'd argue none of my interactions with Visor are bad, but I'll get to that if I have to later. I still need to ISO Mat but am ok with the others, plus Legato (why don't you include Legato?). You didn't answer my question. Do you have more than the vague feeling about Mat?

I actually would really agree with you here.

Soon after I made this post irt Legato/Cuth, I reevaluated and said that it could possibly be like what I did for Celeste in WoW, in which I hard defended her as a wolf when she was town.

If Cuth is town, it makes sense to have a world in which Legato is scum.

I think one out of the two has to be scum. That's either Cuth who is fooling Legato thoroughly, or Legato, who is pocketing Cuth (or attempting to). I am more convinced by the second option.

This. Why add Jarrema but not Legato to your WTL for today?

I'm leaning back and forth between Visor and Cuthillius right now. Pretty sure one of them is scum, but not sure which one. Starting to get much more wolfy vibes from Visor, though- he still hasn't addressed the point Zack and I brought up about how he only mentioned Backwards once and claimed he'd been "pushing him all game." I don't get how he could think that when he clearly hasn't been pushing Backwards all game.

Also, he seems to call out practically every vote as being silly that "obviously" are voting for townies. Gives me a pretty PIS-y vibe, how could a legitimate townie be that sure that half the players are townie on day 2?

I'll keep my vote on Cuthillius for now, but I really would like an explanation about the Backwards thing.

So, @Visor: You said you'd been pushing Backwards this entire game. A quick look through your posts shows that was clearly not factual. Can you explain?



Sometimes, yes, but sometimes he just posts silly things and does little but be a distraction.

I'm not going to complain too hard if he gets lynched, but I think there's scummier candidates out there.

I didn't pay close enough attention to Zack's post and honestly didn't realize he'd quoted that and made that same point. My bad.

1. So why put your vote on Cuth if you think Visor's much more wolfy? What exactly is your case on him? Unless I've missed something, before today you've only mentioned Cuth twice - once when you unvoted Edse (and you only say he's had 'weird reactions'/'narrowly looking like the most scummy'/'his lynch could tell us some'); the second time is where you FoS his comment that he'd rather be lynched (I agree with you there, fwiw), but you sheep him and Zack to vote Lassie based on attitude.

2. What makes Lassie less scummy for you today? If anything the attitude and refusal to explain looks worse, IMO.

3. What is Tak like if he makes it closer to end game, in your opinion? Having played with him before, do you have any read on him at all this game?

Spoiler :

Here, where you unvote Edse for Cuth:

I don't really have much to say other than what plenty of other people have already said, and the game's pace is part of that. Too much noise, I can't get any clear reads when there's already this many posts to sift through and half of them are two sentences with no real content.

Well, like I said, I'm not getting any good reads right now, but Cuthilius, landlubber, and Glossy all strike me as slightly scummy right now- Cuthilius has some weird reactions, landlubber for the reasons you mentioned, and Glossy because so many of her posts are contentless fluff that's drowning out everything else- like someone else (I forget who) said earlier, all the attention being on the 4 or 5 extremely high content posters lets everyone else slide under the radar. But that seems to just be the way she posts, so I'm not very confident of that read yet.

There was also of course, edse, who I'm currently voting for, but that was a combination of still being the early semi-random voting stage and an attempt to prod him because I thought his reason for voting you was kinda scummy even for a day 1 vote. I can't really get much else on him right now though because he's barely said anything since then. I will say that I think he's worth keeping an eye on, but for now I'll give him the benefit of the doubt since my suspicion of him was based on a single thing he said a few hours into the day. So, Unvote.

I'll also say that you and Visor both look townie to me right now, at least as much as I can get a town read on anyone. Just sort of a gut feeling at this point. Not really sure about Mat or Lassie, and I can barely tune into all the people who aren't posting like this is their full-time job in the sea of Glossy and Visor filling up pages every 10 minutes.

Out of all my choices, I'd say Vote: Cuthillius is narrowly looking like the most scummy, and I also think that his lynch could tell us about some other players based on how he's interacted with them, particularly the others who were pretending to be scum with Visor and maybe also Mat.

Here, where you switch to FoS/vote Lassie (spoilered). FWIW I agree on the rarely a town move to want your own lynch.

I'm of the opinion that it's rarely ever a town move to want your own lynch over someone else's, especially in a game like this where most people are vanilla. You're the only person you can ever be 100% certain is town, why would you want to lynch a player you're 100% certain is townie?

+10 scum points Cuthillius.

We get it, Visor has a wolf avatar and you think that makes him scummy.

You were close to the top in posts in the only game I've seen you as scum despite dying halfway through, and you've mostly been moderately active when I've seen you as town. You're close to the top in this one. That doesn't necessarily mean you're scum, but some of your behavior in your large number of posts looks kinda scummy.

Spoiler :

This post struck me as being pretty scummy- I'm really not liking the "I'm objectively the most townie because I'm doing things and others are lurking" conclusion, because I've seen plenty of scum play fairly actively and come up with reads and thoughts to share. Or what about that thread Cass linked where Sushi apparently posted 26 pages of posts as a mafia? I also just don't really like the whole tone of this post, its way too big of a reaction to one vote, it's dismissive, it's pretty rude and it's generally just a strange tone to take after being voted once. Also, like Zack mentioned, Lassie is very defensive of Sushi, not quite to the extent of Cuthillius's interactions with Cass but still way more defensive than I'd expect if they were both vanilla townies.

And as an aside, I'll do an ISO on you, as soon as someone can tell me what that actually means.


Your attitude is at least as edgy as his.


If you're ignoring him, why are you making such a big deal about it?

You posted that question 8 minutes ago, why are you in such a hurry to get an answer about it? Do you expect Cuthillius is always going to be online every time you ask him a question?


He could be a frustrated townie, sure, but like Zack and Cuthillius I'm getting more of a scum vibe than a town vibe from his frustration.

Unvote, Vote: Lassie

FTR the bold is wrt Lassie. Had your read on Cuth changed here? Why question Lassie on behalf of Cuth/Why sheep Zack and Cuth together here if you're still suspecting Cuth?.

Holy hell you guys, what was up with that bandwagon that popped up on me at the end of the day? I got like 5 votes in 20 minutes and never had any chance to respond to it. I'd find that fairly reasonable in some cases, but about half of the people voting for me acted like it was suspicious that bandwagons popped up on Arakhor and Lassie so quickly. So tell me: does that also apply to how quickly mine appeared, and right at the end of the day, too?

I don't have much time to talk, so I'll just leave a few thoughts about who I thought was scum yesterday: Clearly, I was wrong about Arakhor being scum, and though I can't totally shake my feelings about Lassie, he doesn't look as scummy as I once thought he was. Cuthillius, on the other hand, still gives me some definite scum vibes and I think he's the scummiest player right now, so Vote: Cuthillius.

 

[Glossysushi]

@Cass:

I want to see a Visor flip first before wanting to lynch Legato.

My suspicion is that both of them are teamed, and if Visor flips wolf, Legato moves to top candidate tomorrow.

 

[Takhisis]

Ho, Tak

You callin' me a ho, girl? I'll give you da benefit o' the doubt, but that makes me wanna hurl.

Yo gone an read me whack dude, dat post ain't sugar/wasn't nice
Rappin was jus a way ta gather yo' attention n' serve a lil spice

Spoiler :

True blue representin' Is searchin redz wit sense n' no relentin
Not postin all-rhyme-no-reason, half-quipped-thoughts of maybe-treason
Nor worryin' yo own darn donkey gon' be a target for hunting season
Don't tell us youz struglin to be makin readz, straight up stranger, pleaz
Wit brains what know Mann, Clavell, Tai-pan
If youz making comments, den youz thinkin stuff n' read n' write you surely can
Yo dome, it may be pretty dope but
wit no respect fo' effort in da game it's lame
youz either RED or got no hope
Step up now n' Recognize
Opinionz is what's right
Clipped one liners/raps dat youz VT/wine bout whine up in front of he
May be trick but
That attitudez not worthy if youz fo' shizzle real true BLUE, like me.

TLDR
Seriously. OMGUS doesn't count. What's your reads?

Yo, I warn't just OMGUSin', ma woman. I was sayin' that that was a stupid vote, stupider than not bein' Donald Trump, y'hear?

‘True blue’? You claimin' cop, lass?
Some rhymes you's slinging, my head ain't ringin' (yet)
must find an answer to, the question is WHO?
For that ain't nought clear yet (have I mentioned skippin' the text, yo, afore rippin' my eyes out -no?)
but never be afeared, once the spammers are cleared, to the solution we's near

Now I did tell, that Visorslash, that if he didn't multiquote, his head I'd smash
he then defied me, no, no! riled me, and as such, the spam was a smudge, without thoughts much, one thing was clear: his end is near.

Now, for more reads, since that's what you needs, Lassie and sushi's ain't good, nyet!
Cassie ain't clear either by the way -yet!
edse be weird
Murska da lurka
Beware of Zack, sharp as a tack
choxorn's a foghorn
*dances away into the night with super-bustin' moves*

x-post: now sushi my lass (or lad, perhaps?) please explain, (and don't complain!) why Legato, is red like tomato.

 

[Cass_]

Takhisis actually seeming to carr where the lynch wagon goes us a good sign for him

I think him voting GS is a more townie thing than not

What part of 'I didn't even look at the tally' makes you think Takhisis cares?

Xym is almost certainly town from my experience with him

Cass only having three Townies is pretty funny

Funny how? FYI, for better or worse, me having ANY 'Townies' at this stage is a big change, especially when they're players I don't feel I can trust/know well.

Why do I get the feeling you're only interested in smearing mud against my name since the beginning, and not at all trying to figure me out? Call it OMGUS, but this is one of my main sticking points with you. I've brought it up several times and you haven't answered. I can appreciate a fun game and will have fun with people where I can, but you've made no effort to work with me at all/alleviate my suspicion and I can't let that go because it's not Towny behaviour at all. Why haven't you answered anything I've called/questioned you on?

 

[Glossysushi]

@Takhsis:

Interactions with Cuthilius have me worried more than anything else.

Why?

Before anyone else wanted to town read Cuthilius, Legato stepped in and hard defended him. Originally since I thought Cuth was scum, I just thought that Legato was town that had been pocketed by Cuth.

However, after I did some ISOing of the Mel Gibson game in which Cuth was wolf, and which I thought that Cuth's current game was similar to, I realized that what Legato had said was really true.

I had been reading Legato as townie for the reactions he was having, and for the defending he was doing of Cuth, because I thought that Cuth was scum. However, Cuth being such a scummy townie verified by my own read made me think that it was impossible for w/w, but more likely to be v/v or v/w.

I would have labeled it v/v, but the last game in which I myself was scum, I heavily pocketed one of the players I've played with a lot (the real Lassie -- Alette) by strongly defending her and town reading her for the entire game.

I can't see that behavior coming from town, because at one point, there will be doubt, and there will be changing of reads. Even if you are meta reading someone, as town, you are going to be uncertain and perhaps wonder if the other person is changing their meta to fit your perception of what they are like.

That's why I suspected Legato. His read on Cuth has always been strong town.

Other reasons - he has been very compliant and nice in general in thread. Now, you might not think that's a tell, but what he's been doing is 1) openly sheeping other people (at first I liked his honesty) 2) being very affable and doing a lot of - I like this - this is bad (assigning value judgments to posts, but not synthesizing them into usable information or explaining how they are affecting his own reads).

 

[Takhisis]

So, you's just sayin', that like a passive aggressive, is how Legato is playin'?

 

[choxorn]

1. So why put your vote on Cuth if you think Visor's much more wolfy?

I meant more wolfy compared to what my previous read of Visor was. Sorry if that was unclear.

What exactly is your case on him? Unless I've missed something, before today you've only mentioned Cuth twice - once when you unvoted Edse (and you only say he's had 'weird reactions'/'narrowly looking like the most scummy'/'his lynch could tell us some');

Fair enough, although I haven't really said much of anything before today. I'm not a super talkative townie most of the time. My case on Cuthillius was just a sort of gut feeling he was scummy combined with some other stuff other people have already said. I can't really articulate it much better than that.

the second time is where you FoS his comment that he'd rather be lynched (I agree with you there, fwiw), but you sheep him and Zack to vote Lassie based on attitude.

I can think he's kinda scummy and still think he raises good points, can't I?

2. What makes Lassie less scummy for you today? If anything the attitude and refusal to explain looks worse, IMO.

It's kind of like how Visor said he's acting too anti-town to be scum. Too odd, too abrasive. Doesn't mean he isn't scum, but I'm not going to assume he is scum just because he's being kind of a jerk.

3. What is Tak like if he makes it closer to end game, in your opinion? Having played with him before, do you have any read on him at all this game?

He tends to keep acting scummy all game long, really, but every once in a while he can be a decent townie.