Aspiring Rapper's MAFIA- Game Thread

[Kennigit]

Id have to look at the time and my previous posts but i had no reason to vote for others. I assume cuthillius had a vote on him so i probably was stacking that so a counter wagon could form while i was away


I rarely if ever will say someone is "the best player to vote" and i doubt i have this game. I dont even inherently believe the most scummy player is the best lynch--the best lynch is always the lynch that gives thr biggest chance to win the game considering all factors

 

[Legato Endless]

1). I agree that 7 is a wide WTL. What are your thoughts on each of the suggestions beyond yourself? (Me, BL, Kenni.v.2, KM.v.2, Lohr, Landlubber?)

BL is town with that recent post. Lohr is the newb we should have killed days ago. Not aggressive enough for my liking, but everything could plausibly be the normal effort of a confused neophyte. Neutral. LL lacks the contextual analysis I'd expect from him. Slightly scummy, especially in regards to the most helpful town comment. Zack's point there at least is fairly valid. There's a bit of possible PIS there, if not the straightforward type.

The resurrected Players I have no definitive read yet, (Replacement players should be so easy to read in theory with twice the meta and yet...) based only on what I've seen in the last few days expecting the past players, Kenny is more town than Morgan by a decent bit. I'm not prepared to defend that hill though, I need to see if Kenny's alleged tonal difference is accurate, and well, backlogging is work.

2). What do you mean by 'Sigh'? , What do you actually think of that comment ('Cass and Legato have completely bogus arguments') and what is your lean on Kennigit?

Kenny is arguing we're too incompetent to be on a scum team. That's a bit demoralizing, and no one took my previous argument seriously, so I'm wrong somewhere even if I'm right about Zack.

3). I could agree with Chox but FTR your progression on him is strange.
I think it's less strange that he hasn't been lynched since he started picked up his posting. I'm assuming 'with the degree of suspicion he's gotten' means you think the amount of suspicion is large? IIRC Bsmith, ?Murska and myself were the only ones expressing recent doubt and that was yesterday, between then and post-CFD. What 'degree of suspicion' 'by everyone' are you referring to?.

I mean more in the light of him getting a fair bit of early scum attention, then it died off, then a few players picked it up again. Chox was an early potential lynch, and he just kind of floated away from it all. Yeah, he made some effort later on and looked better, but now he's niggling at me that it's just been ignoring the elephant in the room. He flips between misunderstood town to scum for me more than anyone else.

If it's strange, well that's how it looks then. There really hasn't been a transition on Chox so much as the dead player in a box and I flip every so often as to what I'd fine. He's definitely my least consistent read internally.

I think this is the second time you've mentioned expecting Sushi and I to have opposite alignments and I have to admit I see both elements of Town work and Scum lack of thought in her play so I don't follow that reasoning. Can you explain? Looking from an outside perspective our back and forth on each other could be Town-Town (though I maintain her cases against me are reaching), or Scum-scum distancing (though I am 100% Town here). Basically, you saying it has to be one v. the other makes me nervous that it's just another way to set up my mislynch if I'm wrong about her being scum - a position you would obviously be aware of if you are scum.

It doesn't have to be one or the other, but I'm growing more ironclad it can't be both.

Basically, if one of you were lynched and flipped mafia, I'd be very hesitant to lynch the other. I don't see Scum-Scum here. It's possible, but it seems strange to me, especially considering Lassie's high octane posting and interactions. I might be painting a bit of wide culture brush there though.

To elaborate with nonsensical percentage confidence signifiers of what I'm trending:

Scum-Scum I see 10%.

Town-Town is possible, but a bit less where I'm leaning. 30%

Scum-Town 60%. (Cass as scum: 15%. Glossy as scum: 45%)

If you were lynched and flip town, Glossy gets a hard push . If Glossy flips town, you look a bit worse by dint of the narrowing pool, but I'd be more unsettled than confident at this moment.

What do you mean by this? That one scum being a lurker is indicative of the other scum also being lurkers? Because that seems like a strange thought to me, I don't understand why you'd think one wolf's level of activity has any bearing on the activity levels of other wolves.

It's not a theory I'd follow either in a vacuum, but it makes absolutely no sense period to talk about potential activity with no data is my point. And this selective question feels kind of myopic.

 

[Kennigit]

I'm not saying incompetence, just a couple sloppy thing I disagree with

eg yesterday cass was saying "why would a scum ever bandwagon off a townie" which kind of ignored the fact that mafia games are multiple game phases and the best result is not necessarily the result for only that phase (day 1 in that case)

 

[Kennigit]

to be fair to glossy, she continues to bring up that visor's incorrect read post from day 1 is somehow good logic even today in post #2143 after that has been thoroughly discredited

but I don't think that is the same kind of slip

 

[Kennigit]

Cass you seem to know way too much about trains than you should, and why the top candidates in trains are certainly town and not a good lynch.

Spoiler :

@Lassie, why Cuth over Chox?

If both you and Arakhor move there he becomes a similar level train. I think you and Arakhor's trains are more likely scum driven for the speed.

Why would the scum be so eager to all band together and jump on a wagon with that much time left in the day (when the wagons formed)? This sentiment seems like baseless smear.

So you're saying that you don't think scum pushed/were involved in the rapid buildup of the trains on Lassie/Arakhor?

I'm suspicious of the fact that Chox, who didn't come across as overly Town, is getting skimmed over/attention is being redirected (for the second time, if you count the earlier votes by Murska and Legato -?if there were others).

Two wagons formed quickly after I ISO'd him and reintroduced the idea he seemed scummy/might be a good lynch for information. Players there would potentially be information on if he flips scum have failed to return their opinions on him when asked. Players who say they have him as a scum lean, or who voted him earlier are suddenly voting elsewhere.

Why would scum band together to push two wagons quickly on day one... Because competing V V trains are the absolute best option for them? How is this 'baseless smear'?

It's well after 5am. I'm going to bed for a couple of hours will set an alarm to be back before EoD.


I'm leaving my vote where it is for now.

I had Arakhor as Scummy early on, not as sure looking at the later posts in his ISO. Regardless, I don't like lynching claimed PRs D1. Either he gets taken out at night or we zero in on him from here.

I'm in the same undecided spot WRT Cuth and Lassie that I was previously and I think both of them should have a pass until tomorrow but also assume there should be a decent amount to analyse with either of them post flip.

Order of WTL from the current options probably

- Choxorn: Scummy start, potentially good for info, feel like attention keeps sliding away/being re-directed elsewhere

- Cuth: Random voting/polling pre-push on Edse, ?weird Visor interaction, makes some good pushes, buddying/white knighting ?null, lynch should provide decent info

- Arakhor/Lassie: Not overly confident in my scummy leans on these two, also have concerns about the build of the trains and how quickly votes piled up.

day 1; votes compiled alphabetically by pizza, maybe these are the order of votes though

Arakhor: 10 (Bsmith, choxorn, Kennigit, Murska, Xym, Zack, Visorslash, Mat93. Lassie, Jarrema)

Choxorn: 7 (Cass_, Pouter Pigeon, Arakhor, Cuthillius, Glossysushi, Al Sipsclar, Sooh)

Lassie: 5 (KingMorgan, Lohrenswald, Newyn, landlubber, edse)

Edse: 2 (Backwards Logic, Legato Endless)

Zack: 1 (Autolycus)
Glossysushi: 1 (Takhisis)
Cuthillius: 1 (Golden1Knight)

Back sorry, dealing with kids.
The only thing holding me back from voting Sips is the claim, and even then I can see possible scum motivation. Zack seems overly defensive.

My main concern with a BL lynch is the votes that have been on him to before this point - Legato's 'spam vote', Glossy sheeping Visor, Cuth sheeping Glossy.

I would've been happier with a Choxorn CFD tbh.

I'm going with that even though it's too late to make a difference. Vote: Choxorn.

IMO Sushi needs to be looked at closely tomorrow.

also I don't know if what autolycus said about scum using a consistent vote to hide could be very insightful

Cass has been going choxorn over and over
Lohr went to lassie on 3 out of 4 votes


all roads point to cass/lohr/glossy, I swear

 

[choxorn]

What do you mean by this? That one scum being a lurker is indicative of the other scum also being lurkers?

This felt... weirdly PIS-y to me, Zack seems like he's unconsciously implying that he knows that at least one scum is a lurker with the "That one scum being a lurker" part, but maybe I'm just reading too much into it and he was saying that Legato was implying one lurker-scum means more lurker-scum, not that there had to be a lurker scum.

It still pinged me a bit, though.

 

[Zack]

If you're looking for a spurious reason to switch to my wagon, try again.

 

[Glossysushi]

Sorry, I'm returning from my trip to Boston tomorrow. Won't be able to post, but Kenniget v. 2 looks better especially for his last post.

All roads do not lead to me, however.

Good night.

 

[choxorn]

If you're looking for a spurious reason to switch to my wagon, try again.

If I wanted a spurious reason to vote for you, I would have done it by now.

 

[Lohrenswald]

all roads point to cass/lohr/glossy, I swear

Why do you think that?

 

[choxorn]

Who do you think is scum, Lohr?

 

[Lohrenswald]

Zack, because of what Al Sipsclar said

Glossysushi, whose bhaviour I feel is too odd, basically

what about you?

 

[Murska]

Most of the posts early on are from dead townies, but here are Murska's first two posts. I have no idea with the first one, but the second one is sort of a bad look.

As a sidenote, since this keeps coming up:

Ayy. True bling bling blue here. Ride on and prosper.

All right, let's get to it. Course, there's not much to go on yet. 'Kay. Ehh.

Reasoning so far seems a bit weak, but early aggression is necessary for results.

If you take the first letters of each sentence, you get 'ATRACKER'. It was meant to be easily spotted because the post was so artificial and wrong-looking that everyone would pay attention to it and look it over for the most obvious codes. No, I am not a tracker, I was just hoping to draw kills.

 

[Glossysushi]

Zack, because of what Al Sipsclar said

Glossysushi, whose bhaviour I feel is too odd, basically

what about you?

Eh....

 

[Glossysushi]

Two scum reads at a time, and reading me as scum because I'm a strange cracker, as well as Zack. Curious as to why it's off of what Al said and not what any of the others in thread, especially Kenniget, have said.

 

[Lohrenswald]

because al sipsclar based his reasoning on actual night actions, which I value a lot more than tone reads or whatever

and you've said so much weird stuff
and so much in general, really

 

[Glossysushi]

because al sipsclar based his reasoning on actual night actions, which I value a lot more than tone reads or whatever

and you've said so much weird stuff
and so much in general, really

What have I said that's weird? Why do you want to lynch me because of it?

 

[Glossysushi]

So much in general is so very specific, indeed. Can you not come up with a better reason?

 

[Kennigit]

I do think we are at moment we do have to determine if it is like the cass/glossy/others route or if it really is like what cass on day 1 said where it'd be a combo of folks on arakhor/lassie (your zacks, choxorns, landlubbers, xym/kingmorgan, murska if you were)


I'm ready to drop my vote to cass but i dont know the tally.

Also jeez i think i am conspiratorial sometimes but you got things like "atracker" or some silly fake claim lined up with song preparation? (Lassie)

That's a site culture shock to me lol. Not indicative of scum or whatever but i dont get trying to draw night kills. Just be a good honest townie

 

[Cuthillius]

and you've said so much weird stuff
and so much in general, really

Cuth,

1. What were the 'other things as well' that made you vote Legato?
2. What do you mean by 'and eh'?
3. Why have you changed your tune on the importance of providing reasoning with actions? Where are all your own questions and observations?

FTR I have played two games with Cuth, and he was Town in both and focused heavily on the importance of players providing reasons for votes etc. IIRC he asked more questions and offered more opinions more freely too.

1.tone, and interactions with dead people
2.i'm still indecisive
3.I've done that some today.

Another difference between this game and the last two is that this one is much faster and longer, and doesn't have ISOing or vote history. This means reading through people is more inconvenient, and you can't just glance over the rest of the thread.