At Least 120 Dead in Paris Attacks

[Akka]

Unless they could pull off a false flag operation. Conducting an attack that looks like it was done by immigrants would be certainly be effective. But it would be quite hard to accomplish, so I doubt that this is the case.

That's pretty far-fetched. The last time the far-right was able to do some coordinated attack was 50 years ago, and it was in a MUCH, MUCH more serious situation (an actual war were France had one million people and a good chunk of territory at stake).

Killing hundreds of people just to stop immigration seems pretty insanely out of proportion compared to what they look like today, especially as they are rising in the polls.

 

[Rashiminos]

Words fail me

Let me help you there. A politician not letting a crisis go to waste? Shocker.

 

[Arwon]

Words fail me

Yeah panicked civilians shooting each other then getting shot as terrorists by the Gendarmes. Just imagine.

 

[Akka]

We have had also a good amount of repulsive political exploitation of the events, all the while bombings were taking place (you can imagine that the far-right just jumped gleefully in the "this is what you get for letting migrants in !").

Yeah panicked civilians shooting each other then getting shot as terrorists by the Gendarmes. Just imagine.

Well, it was the SWAT equivalent here (RAID). Otherwise, pretty much. And a lot of other things, but I'd prefer not to derail this thread into "gun control" territory.

 

[Joecoolyo]

I should have added that police have generally kept an eye on the remains of extreme right groups ever since, so as to make sure they wouldn't grow again.

I agree with the rest of your post in spirit. I should perhaps have been clearer, but I was talking about the culture within the groups themselves. Both the Islamists and the Tamil Tigers had an internal culture which lent itself to consider suicide bombers.

Oh yeah, I agree with this. It does take a certain type of extreme culture to not only condone, but to make regular use of suicide attacks.

 

[Atticus]

Unless they could pull off a false flag operation. Conducting an attack that looks like it was done by immigrants would be certainly be effective. But it would be quite hard to accomplish, so I doubt that this is the case.

On small acts of violence it wouldn't be even surprising. On the other hand, it's often enough for them just to fabricate the news. There's plenty of people more willing to believe social media rumours than the news.

 

[Tigranes]

I am surprised no one is raising the most pressing question at this time of the real life coverage: are the attackers still at large? Only 3 attackers are reported dead upon "resolving" the hostage situation at Bataclan . It's just 1 location (the deadliest) out of 7. What about other 6? Anyone reads any news about other attackers?

 

[Ice_Tyrant]

What did they die for? I don't understand how this could help anybody. It's just all so mindless, it hurts.

I am so confused with your question. Who else can it possibly be in 2015? Carlos the Jackal? This politically meta-correct people are unbelievable.

Do you remember that terrorist attack committed by an islamic extremist in Norway a couple years ago? If you don't it was because it was committed by some far-right anti-immigration lunatic instead. Please don't make a fool of yourself with such ignorant comments. 7 billion people on the planet, not all the bad ones are Muslim. Jesus Christ.

As for the Newt tweet, I don't have to imagine. I've only heard about this sort of thing happening in Paris twice this year. Seems like it happens every Tuesday here in America. Not the crazy numbers here, but this appears to be much more serious of an operation than to say "Hur dur if they had guns they could stop it."

 

[Tigranes]

I am really astonished that in the age of the most sophisticated and wide spread government spying in human history thus far -- no one, I repeat, no one was able to intercept anything about an operation of such an unprecedented scale. Why, just why.

 

[chijohnaok]

There are all sorts of idiots out there....


https://twitter.com/michaelianblack

 

[Akka]

I am really astonished that in the age of the most sophisticated and wide spread government spying in human history thus far -- no one, I repeat, no one was able to intercept anything about an operation of such an unprecedented scale. Why, just why.

Because you only ever hear about operations which were NOT stopped.
Also, it's a city of 10 millions people, which is the single most visited place in the world (IIRC it's 5 to 6 tourists for each inhabitant each year).
Among these tens of millions people, having a dozen smuggling a few weapons is not that much of a slip-up.
It's hard to coordinate and pull off, but I'd say it's much harder to prevent. Many of these guys litterally just get out of a car, grabbed a concealed gun and started firing...

 

[Tigranes]

Do you remember that terrorist attack committed by an islamic extremist in Norway a couple years ago?

Lone wolf outlier cannot be compared with coordinated attacks involving suicide bombing. No OTHER religion or ideology promises paradise for attacking with the intent to kill, get that straight by now.

 

[hoplitejoe]

never mind.

 

[Joecoolyo]

It boils my blood to see politicians make a mockery out of Americans by doing crap like that.

We're not like that. Please don't think we're like that.

 

[BvBPL]

This comes just a few weeks before the 2015 UN Climate Change Conference to be held in Paris. Parisian officials had already stepped up security prior to these attacks.

Also, that Trump tweet was from ten months ago.

 

[Kaitzilla]

Lone wolf outlier cannot be compared with coordinated attacks involving suicide bombing. No OTHER religion or ideology promises paradise for attacking with the intent to kill, get that straight by now.

France had a lone wolf attack on a train just 3 months ago.
Was nearly a massacre too, but the assault rifle jammed and the passengers overpowered him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Thalys_train_attack

He shot someone in the neck with a pistol and stabbed someone during the melee.

Those were the initial figures for attending people given in the live stream. These were obviously way too low, now that we have at least 100 confirmed dead in the concert hall alone (security sources claim at least 140+ dead in total).

Oh my God.

 

[Camikaze]

Moderator Action: Some posts containing bickering have been deleted. Please keep things civil, avoid personal comments.

 

[chijohnaok]

Link to video.

Published on Nov 13, 2015
This footage shows soccer fans in paris fans sing the French national anthem as they evacuate from the Stade de France during numerous attacks in Paris on Nov.

Paris attacks: Thousands sing national anthem during stadium evacuation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iQ2cHuZ0xE

 

[Ice_Tyrant]

Lone wolf outlier cannot be compared with coordinated attacks involving suicide bombing. No OTHER religion or ideology promises paradise for attacking with the intent to kill, get that straight by now.

It's less Islam and more the terrorists. Back during the Crusades Christians were promised the same thing. It's not religion but more the way people choose to interpret it you know. Your problem isn't with Islam as much as it is with what people like Abu Bakr say Islam is and those that act on his understanding of it. Islamic Fundamentalism is a pretty recent phenomenon in the history of Islam.

 

[Tigranes]

Friday the 13th...


Here Are the Most Horrible Tweets About the Paris Tragedy.