Bachmann is concerned about the rise of the SOVIET UNION

I thought you had Jewish family?

I don't know where you live, Derry was a good enough choice, if I were trolling, I'dha called it "londonderry"

FFS, you accuse me of being a Nordy? Have a bit of respect kid


My wife is English, my ma, sister and stepdad are irish, irish american and all jewish respectively

That wasn't quite what I meant! :p Not that this isn't a matter of dispute, but what I meant was Kruschev being born "in Russia" is a matter of dispute. He was 3km from the border, and the border can be quite wrong in some people's mind.
Plus, Russia compared to Ireland or most small countries allows for many more ethnic enclaves.

I have a book about him and he certainly considered himself Russian, though did affect some Ukrainian qualities. Swings and roundabouts really, all of them countires are just basically Russia
 
...Confederacy? That implies heavy decentralisation.

I was under the impression the Soviets weren't exactly big on local rule! You know... dictatorship and whatnot? Were they more tolerant of say, Ukraine seceding from Moscow's grip, than Czechoslovakia or other Warsaw Pact members doing so?

The Ukrainian SFSR had its own seat at the UN.

Post-1953, there was a certain degree of cultural and religious autonomy afforded to ethnic groups.

"Warsaw Pact" nations werent "under moscow's grip" they had a fair bit of individual autonomy;
the distate of certain Soviet politicos at the DDR's system of control would indicate this, as well as every Warsaw Pact nation having its own style of communism.

Albania withdrew in 1968.

Yugoslawia was never a member.



Okay, so the USSR gets one progressive point; I wouldn't have wanted to live there though.
The USSR struck a weird balance between orthodoxy and progressivism; the USSR was one of the most enlightened nations in terms of women's rights, and ensuring a basic universal standard of welfare for everyone, while sacrificing what the west would term "essential Freedoms" (which were never actually successfully wiped out).


Pity those died out very early.
Trotsky was a violent man, so maybe not.
 
The Ukrainian SFSR had its own seat at the UN.

I never considered that to be the result of autonomy, but the Soviets just trying to get a little extra clout in the UN. It seems silly for one state to have three seats... but then again, with the Security Council, the seats don't matter anyway.

Post-1953, there was a certain degree of cultural and religious autonomy afforded to ethnic groups.

Well that, I would figure. The USSR may have been repressive in some circumstances, but none were as horrid as Stalin.

"Warsaw Pact" nations werent "under moscow's grip" they had a fair bit of individual autonomy;
the distate of certain Soviet politicos at the DDR's system of control would indicate this, as well as every Warsaw Pact nation having its own style of communism.

Albania withdrew in 1968.

Yugoslawia was never a member.

Oh, I know there can be variation, but with the suppression of uprisings, I assumed they did take some hand in at least the northern Warsaw Pact's affairs. Yugoslavia never was a puppet because Tito established himself, rather than being put into power by the USSR. As for Albania, that'd be a great case; I imagine they were successful due to their geographic isolation.

The USSR struck a weird balance between orthodoxy and progressivism; the USSR was one of the most enlightened nations in terms of women's rights, and ensuring a basic universal standard of welfare for everyone, while sacrificing what the west would term "essential Freedoms" (which were never actually successfully wiped out).

Yes, I recall that many African Americans prior to the Civil Rights era made a point to move to the USSR, so they definitely did trump us in many categories(though they were oddly more progressive during Lenin's time, what with the gay rights). Socially, the Communist model was superior to the West's for many years, and in some respects probably still would be.

Politically, well, we all know the People didn't have much real power, but political rights aren't too important provided the government isn't too oppressive.

Economically, to my knowledge, it'd be a mixed bag depending on era. I strongly doubt the levels of economic freedom were always the same, though they were superior in the sense that if you were poor you weren't left to die as you'd be in many capitalist systems.

Ultimately, if you were a WASP, the West was better, if you weren't, the Communists were better. Funny that.

Trotsky was a violent man, so maybe not.

That'd depend if you're the "ends justify the means" communist (kill as many people as necessary to ensure the worker's state), or a "pacifistic" communist (build a worker's state, but not in a violent, bloody manner).

Though Trotsky is sometimes a little too glorified, like many a political figure. He committed his own brand of ruthless murders as I remember, but due to Stalin stealing the spotlight and killing far more, no one mentions it.
 
Were there really that many blacks who immigrated to the USSR? I just heard about Angela Davis and I don't think she really immigrated there but just visited or something.
 
There were some, not alot because most couldn't afford the passage.
 
Perhaps I'm overestimating the amount of intelligence (or to be more fair, amount of concern) the average American has in regards to foreign policy, but while "USA #1!" certainly works in a pinch, I don't see how a more structured answer could hurt them any.
You need look no further than President Obama. He did give the structured answers you're looking for........and, surprise of surprises, Obama turned out to be a borderline-Republican. Even HTV-2 took longer to crash and burn.

Yet, as disappointed as they are with Obama, most liberal voters would still rather vote for him than for any Republican. They give Obama a pass because he's a Democrat, and that's all. The only reason people are actually hammering on Michelle Bachmann is because she's a Republican. That's all.
 
From a left wing standpoint: Center-Right >>> Far-Right
 
Yet, as disappointed as they are with Obama, most liberal voters would still rather vote for him than for any Republican. They give Obama a pass because he's a Democrat, and that's all. The only reason people are actually hammering on Michelle Bachmann is because she's a Republican. That's all.
The first proposition, I agree with, but the second is reaching somewhat. Bachmann, it must be remembered, is not just any old Republican, but a vehemently bigoted reactionary with a notoriously shaky grasp on reality, and I would tend to think that this has some influence on how she is perceived.
 
Indeed. There is no equivalent Democratic Party candidate to Michelle Bachmann, and there hasn't been since the days of George Wallace, who was also ironically a bigoted reactionary with quite similar views. No liberal, or even centrist, would vote for him either for exactly the same reasons, even though he was a Democrat.

But it really isn't an issue because liberals constitute even less people than the Tea Party. Expecting them to vote for anybody who is as far right and authoritarian as the typical Republican candidate just isn't going to happen, any more than the typical Republican would vote for Kucinich, who is just slightly left of center.
 
You'd vote for a more left-wing candidate than Obama? My, you have improved. :)
 
From a left wing standpoint: Center-Right >>> Far-Right
Exactly. I call it Political Relativity: perception of a political candidate is influenced by the viewer's reference frame.

Indeed. There is no equivalent Democratic Party candidate to Michelle Bachmann
Obama is. Obama and Michelle Bachmann are both actually fairly close to center. Kim Il Jung, Qadaffi, and Assad are far-right wingnuts; Bachmann is not a radical wingnut. Far-left folks simply see her that way.
 
Yeah and Michelle Bachmann isn't as radical as Cotton Mather but what kind of standard is that?
 
That said, anybody seriously bidding to be President should do the ten second research to know the USSR is gone and Russia, while it has taken up much of its functions, is not the same entity, even if its government wishes it was.

Anybody who needs to do research to know that much should stick to washing cars or mowing lawns.
 
Anybody who needs to do research to know that much should stick to washing cars or mowing lawns.

That's not fair, Yeekim! Maybe they just don't watch the news. :(

...then again, if you don't watch the news, I wouldn't trust you near the White House with a several countries long pole.
 
Michelle Bachmann is centre-right?? Well her politics might be, but her religious views certainly are not.
 
You'd vote for a more left-wing candidate than Obama? My, you have improved. :)

Over Obama, though truth be told I wouldn't be voting in that election. But if someone put a gun to my head, I'd vote for Kucinich over Obama.

Kucinich has a similar affect to Ron Paul in that you can hate his views, but you have to respect him for being willing to give up his election in order to make a point and be honest.

I don't like Kucinich at all, I disagree with most of what he says. But I do respect him.

Obama, I don't have the least respect for beyond the fact that he's the leader of our country. He's a lying politician, as is most of the Republicans who would like to beat him.

Michelle Bachmann is centre-right?? Well her politics might be, but her religious views certainly are not.

Religion is apolitical.
 
Religion is apolitical.

In theory, yes. In practice, not so much.

People often get their morals from their faith, and many people actively seek to impose these morals upon society. No drugs, no prostitution, no gambling, no gay marriage, mandatory prayer in schools, etc.
 
If religion is apolitical, why is there such a thing as the "Religious Right"?
 
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