BBC changing history

[Valka D'Ur]

Black actors in an ancient greek setting are fine, but a black or east asian King Leonidas would be weird for instance, right? The question is, how did the ancient greeks view their mythological heroes and gods? Did they view them the same way the Christians view Yahweh? i.e. without any clear skin colour. Or did they view them to look like contemporary greeks at the time? Or maybe it didn't matter to them either way?

This conversation is dovetailing in bizarre ways with a couple of conversations over on TrekBBS. One is an argument over how green Vulcans really are, and if the full-Vulcan characters should have been greener (and how do you explain Tuvok and his wife?). The other conversation is about the latest rumored Dune movie. Some people want to really shake up the casting and have Polynesian actors playing the Fremen and either Duke Leto or Lady Jessica be played by black actors (no logical reason, just "because").

Your response is not only childish but makes no sense what so ever. You knew that it was a fantasy but you found it fitting to compare it to something that is supposed to be based on historical facts? Not only that but you were "muttering about" about the things writers got wrong even though the show couldn't care less about historical facts, because it was a fantasy.

[Saavik]"Humor/sarcasm. They are difficult concepts."[/Saavik]

My point is that I am bothered more by the atrocious animation than the color of the skin in these videos. I've studied classical history, medieval history, cultural anthropology, and am a science fiction/fantasy fan. Yes, I am more than capable of keeping it all separate.

Humans travel, migrate, relocate, etc. for a variety of reasons. My advice to everyone wailing about skin tones in the videos: Unless there are details that are verifiably incorrect, get over it.

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

Thx for advice Valka. Meanwhile BBC keeps on screwing things up:

 

[Borachio]

I can't say I like the burqa.

Neither am I fond of people who wear reflective sunglasses when they talk to me.

Either take the sunglasses off or don't talk to me. Your choice.

 

[Farm Boy]

Lean in and stare intensely at their eyes. Then fiddle with your hair like it's a bathroom mirror for as long as they wear them.

 

[Groff]

[Saavik]"Humor/sarcasm. They are difficult concepts."[/Saavik ]

Only when done poorly.

 

[Kyriakos]

^Isn't that a niqab? Iirc the burka is the thing with the fencing face cover as well.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

Only when done poorly.

Do you see anyone else complaining?

This is not a Red Diamond thread. We're allowed to be less-than-totally-serious.

 

[Borachio]

Lean in and stare intensely at their eyes. Then fiddle with your hair like it's a bathroom mirror for as long as they wear them.

Lol. Good thinking.

Actually, I'd prefer to pick at my teeth.

And if only I were younger, I'd maybe squeeze a zit or two.

 

[Akka]

Do you see anyone else complaining?

Do you expect everyone to chime in each time you do a poor sarcasm attempt ?

 

[warpus]

This conversation is dovetailing in bizarre ways with a couple of conversations over on TrekBBS. One is an argument over how green Vulcans really are, and if the full-Vulcan characters should have been greener (and how do you explain Tuvok and his wife?). The other conversation is about the latest rumored Dune movie. Some people want to really shake up the casting and have Polynesian actors playing the Fremen and either Duke Leto or Lady Jessica be played by black actors (no logical reason, just "because").

What's illogical about wondering how the ancient greek gods and heroes were portrayed in ancient greek times, so that they are portrayed in the most correct way by contemporary actors and actresses?

It's the exact same thing as having a Klingon male play Lady Jessica. That wouldn't make sense, right? Even though Lady Jessica is fictional.

My guess is that since they thought themselves to be kindred to the gods they assumed they are very close in appearance as well. The different appearance would on the contrary quite possibly present to them foreign element to the point of hostile existence (titans or other mythical hostile powers)

But that still leaves a lot of room for interpretation, as the ancient Greeks colonized a lot of the (at the time) known world and so it seems that there must have been ancient Greeks alive at the time who were not white.. and as such might have thought of their gods and/or heroes as non-white as well. But I really have no idea if that's true. Point is that it could be.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

What's illogical about wondering how the ancient greek gods and heroes were portrayed in ancient greek times, so that they are portrayed in the most correct way by contemporary actors and actresses?

Nothing, if you're talking about ancient gods and heroes in ancient times.

I was just remarking on how it's an odd coincidence that I'm involved in three such dissimilar, yet similar conversations at the same time.

 

[warpus]

Hmm okay but now I want to see Dune remade by Klingons.

The spice must flow.. for the honor of the empire!

 

[Hrothbern]

I can't say I like the burqa.

Neither am I fond of people who wear reflective sunglasses when they talk to me.

Either take the sunglasses off or don't talk to me. Your choice.

Reminds me to halfway primary school.
We had one morning a teacher that was still in education and did as part of that one morning lessons with my class.
He wore sunglasses, greenish and reflecting.
He needed a wet sponge to clean the blackboard and ask me to wet the sponge, so I got it and walked to the back of the classroom where there was a water tap.
It took some time because I did not want too little water, being a good boy, and not too much to prevent dripping walking to the front.

Then he said to me: "hurry on"
I looked at him, seeing no eyes, only reflections and hurried on by immediately throwing the wet sponge to him
Somehow it invokes agression.

 

[Arakhor]

.Meanwhile BBC keeps on screwing things up:

For those of us not interested in clicking on the video, what does this new unspecified use of "the BBC" actually mean?

 

[warpus]

The Black Broadcasting Corporation?

 

[Valka D'Ur]

Wouldn't know; I got a message saying my browser isn't advanced enough to play the video.

 

[Uberfrog]

For those of us not interested in clicking on the video, what does this new unspecified use of "the BBC" actually mean?

PJW presumably has his knickers in a twist about a fairly innocuous BBC Three video which features British Muslim women providing candidates for the clickbait-friendly "Questions you Shouldn't Ask..." of burqa-wearing women. Presumably under the assumption that such social etiquette will be mandatory in the BBC's hellishly multicultural dystopia that lies just around the corner, save for the efforts of tireless social commentators such as he.

The original video is here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/item/3e533c4f-7f35-49a0-a9a0-6e5c92ecfe1d

 

[Arakhor]

Ahh. Wikipedia cites niqab as "a term which is often incorrectly used interchangeably with burqa". Whatever serves your particular narrative, I suppose.

 

[Borachio]

For those of us not interested in clicking on the video, what does this new unspecified use of "the BBC" actually mean?

It's actually quite an interesting video. And says, to my mind, valid things about the birqa.

Whether it's a valid in terms of its criticisms of the BBC, which weren't prominent, I couldn't say.

I don't know what programmes it was referring to.

 

[Kyriakos]

It's actually quite an interesting video. And says, to my mind, valid things about the birqa.

Misspelling islamic terms is harem.