Bertrand Russell and the cosmological argument

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"Catholicism inherited its beliefs and traditions from pagan religions,"

In their defense, this was something that some very intelligent people, like Bertrand Russell, perpetuated. I'm reading his History of Western Philosophy now, and its kind of funny how he twists various metaphysical beliefs into being the precursors to Christianity. And by funny I mean sad, because he's obviously brilliant otherwise.
 
In their defense, this was something that some very intelligent people, like Bertrand Russell, perpetuated. I'm reading his History of Western Philosophy now, and its kind of funny how he twists various metaphysical beliefs into being the precursors to Christianity. And by funny I mean sad, because he's obviously brilliant otherwise.

Russell was indeed an intelligent fellow, which is why it boggles my mind when I see how terrible his works on religion are. Almost all of the historical arguments have been discredited, and his metaphysical arguments demonstrate that he has almost no understanding whatsoever of anything prior to 17th century philosophy.
 
Russell was indeed an intelligent fellow, which is why it boggles my mind when I see how terrible his works on religion are. Almost all of the historical arguments have been discredited, and his metaphysical arguments demonstrate that he has almost no understanding whatsoever of anything prior to 17th century philosophy.

Its funny you should come to that conclusion, because most people regard his works on pre-Cartesian philosophy to be his best! His work on Leibniz notwithstanding.
 
Its funny you should come to that conclusion, because most people regard his works on pre-Cartesian philosophy to be his best! His work on Leibniz notwithstanding.

I find that to be extremely dubious. This passage is from "Why I am Not a Christian:"

Perhaps the simplest and easiest to understand is the argument of the First Cause. (It is maintained that everything we see in this world has a cause, and as you go back in the chain of causes further and further you must come to a First Cause, and to that First Cause you give the name of God.) That argument, I suppose, does not carry very much weight nowadays, because, in the first place, cause is not quite what it used to be. The philosophers and the men of science have got going on cause, and it has not anything like the vitality it used to have; but, apart from that, you can see that the argument that there must be a First Cause is one that cannot have any validity. I may say that when I was a young man and was debating these questions very seriously in my mind, I for a long time accepted the argument of the First Cause, until one day, at the age of eighteen, I read John Stuart Mill's Autobiography, and I there found this sentence: "My father taught me that the question 'Who made me?' cannot be answered, since it immediately suggests the further question `Who made god?'" That very simple sentence showed me, as I still think, the fallacy in the argument of the First Cause. If everything must have a cause, then God must have a cause. If there can be anything without a cause, it may just as well be the world as God, so that there cannot be any validity in that argument. It is exactly of the same nature as the Hindu's view, that the world rested upon an elephant and the elephant rested upon a tortoise; and when they said, "How about the tortoise?" the Indian said, "Suppose we change the subject." The argument is really no better than that. There is no reason why the world could not have come into being without a cause; nor, on the other hand, is there any reason why it should not have always existed. There is no reason to suppose that the world had a beginning at all. The idea that things must have a beginning is really due to the poverty of our imagination. Therefore, perhaps, I need not waste any more time upon the argument about the First Cause.

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Wow Russell, that's profound. It's almost as if your exact objections haven't been repeatedly refuted since the 5th century. In all seriousness: the stupid "if the universe has a First Cause, then why can't God?" shtick demonstrates that he's likely never read anything metaphysical of Aristotle or Thomas Aquinas, because they both demonstrate why it's logically self-destructive.
 
Its funny you should come to that conclusion, because most people regard his works on pre-Cartesian philosophy to be his best! His work on Leibniz notwithstanding.

I'm a bit puzzled by that, given that surely Russell's most important contributions to philosophy were his work on the philosophy of mathematics and logic, and his work on Leibniz. (The latter is now generally acknowledged to be profoundly wrong in almost every respect, but it was a very important catalyst to the renewed serious study of Leibniz.)

As far as his statements about Catholicism deriving mainly from paganism go - I can't remember what he said on this (I do have his History of western philosophy right in front of me, but I'm not going to wade through it now) but I would point out that this book was written in the 1940s, and that in the first half of the twentieth century very radical and revisionist notions about the origins of Christianity enjoyed great popularity among scholars. This was due to the influence of the late nineteenth-century movement known as the "history of religions" school, which held basically that any given religion should be understood as far as possible as emerging from earlier ones, and that Christianity in particular should be understood as basically an amalgamation of pagan ideas. It was even fashionable in the 1920s for some scholars to argue that Jesus himself never existed, although even then that was still a decidedly minority view. So if Russell repeated some of these ideas, that is not to his particular discredit as a non-theologian - they were the scholarly mainstream at the time. Of course, they are not the scholarly mainstream today, and have not been for a long time. That is why people who repeat these ideas today are guilty of much worse intellectual carelessness than Russell was. Just as someone who believes in geocentrism today has much less excuse than someone who believed in geocentrism in the twelfth century.

I find that to be extremely dubious. This passage is from "Why I am Not a Christian:"



Wow Russell, that's profound. It's almost as if your exact objections haven't been repeatedly refuted since the 5th century. In all seriousness: the stupid "if the universe has a First Cause, then why can't God?" shtick demonstrates that he's likely never read anything metaphysical of Aristotle or Thomas Aquinas, because they both demonstrate why it's logically self-destructive.

While I'm broadly in agreement with you about the other stuff here - although to be honest I don't think anyone can really know what unlettered medieval people thought about the meaning of their religion, for obvious reasons - this is desperately shallow. First, Russell's objections haven't been "refuted" since the fifth century. Arguments against them have been proposed, but to call those "refutations" is rather to beg the question. Second, of course Russell had read Aristotle and Aquinas, not to mention plenty of other such people too. Isn't it just barely possible that he read them, understood them, and disagreed with them? Third, I don't think that either of those figures "demonstrate why it's logically self-destructive". If I had a mind to, I would at this point use that revolting phrase so beloved of undergraduate Internet debaters: citation needed.

Fourth, Russell's quite right. Modern metaphysics has indeed seen something of a collapse of the concept of "cause". As I understand it (and this is not my area, so I probably don't), modern philosophers don't really agree on what causation actually is or even what conditions it requires. A simple example: before the late seventeenth century, it was pretty much generally accepted that causation required spatial proximity. That is, if X is the (direct) cause of Y, a requirement for that is that X and Y be right next to each other. If X is the (indirect) cause of Y, there must be some chain of intermediary things between them. For example, if I am playing cricket and I hit the ball and it smashes a window, I can be said to have caused the smashing of the window, but only because I directly caused the motion of my bat (which I am touching), which itself directly caused the motion of the ball (which it touched), which directly caused the smashing of the window (which it touched). If there hadn't been this chain of intermediaries, I couldn't have been the cause of the smashing of the window. Causation at a distance was considered not simply something that doesn't happen, but something that is intrinsically impossible, because it is part of the very definition of causation that the things in question be spatially linked. But then Newton came along with his new-fangled gravity, which was all about causation at a distance. This was one of the reasons why it took a while for people to accept his theories. Eventually they did, of course, and everyone decided that in fact causation doesn't require spatial contiguity at all. Today people are equally unsure whether causation requires temporal contiguity, in the same way. These are pretty fundamental issues with the concept of causation. That means that to make the nature of causation part of your argument for God's existence, or indeed for anything, is to weaken that argument very much. Russell was quite right to point that out. You can't appeal to ancient or medieval metaphysics as the sole answer to that objection, because they didn't know about its peculiarly modern roots. Which isn't to say that the ancient or medieval metaphysics was wrong - merely that, at best, it doesn't provide an explicit answer to the point, and that you need to do a lot of work to show that it's right or at least can support an argument of this kind.

While the basic topic of this thread is totally stupid, and I can see why people might wish to avoid discussing it, I'm having trouble seeing the relevance of the Russell and medieval saints issue. As far as I can tell it went like this:

(1) The History Channel shows programmes about how Catholicism comes from paganism.

(2) That's not so absurd, given that some clever people like Bertrand Russell thought this.

(3) Bertrand Russell was clever, which is why it's odd that he was so wrong about philosophy of religion.

(4) A lot of Christianity is pretty pagan anyway.

Clearly it was somewhere between (2) and (3) that this went wildly off-topic. On the subject of how ordinary Catholics today understand their faith, I would say only that the number of Catholics and ex-Catholics I've met who misunderstand absolutely fundamental aspects of Christianity is alarming. For example, most of them seem to think that the Catholic Church teaches that if you're good you go to heaven, and if you're bad you go to hell, and God's job is to watch and make sure you're good and punish you if you're bad. They appear to have no concept of grace whatsoever. I suspect that a great deal of religious instruction by the Catholic Church is shockingly bad by its own standards, resulting in people growing up even within the church unaware of what its doctrine actually is. This, however, is a highly subjective, unsystematic, and anecdotal impression. Perhaps I am completely wrong. What I am certain of, however, is that it's got nothing to do with the ostensible topic of the thread.

We can certainly discuss these things elsewhere though.
 
First, Russell's objections haven't been "refuted" since the fifth century. Arguments against them have been proposed, but to call those "refutations" is rather to beg the question.

Perhaps it is, but is it not also rather petty to simply dismiss these rebuttals without even mentioning that they exist whatsoever? Russell is saying, "the First Cause argument is bunk because it does not consider X." The fact is that X has been spoken of and argued for by hundreds of philosophers since the fourth century B.C. So Russell, when he wrote the passage in question, was either ignorant, intellectually dishonest, or attempting to be so brief that his argument is now worthless.

Third, I don't think that either of those figures "demonstrate why it's logically self-destructive". If I had a mind to, I would at this point use that revolting phrase so beloved of undergraduate Internet debaters: citation needed.

Aristotle's Discourse on the First Cause, Metaphysica 994a 11-994b 9, with Thomas Aquinas' commentary

Argument for God's Existence based on Efficient Causality, op. cit. Summa Theologica, I, Q.2, art.3, §3

That God is the Efficient Cause of All Beings, op. cit. Summa contra Gentiles 2.15

That God is the Efficient Cause of All Beings, op. cit. Summa Theologica, I, Q.44, art.1

That an Infinite Regress is Impossible, op. cit. Summa Theologica, II, Q. 1, art.4

Fourth, Russell's quite right. Modern metaphysics has indeed seen something of a collapse of the concept of "cause". As I understand it (and this is not my area, so I probably don't), modern philosophers don't really agree on what causation actually is or even what conditions it requires.

This is true. The "Copernican revolution" of Hume and Kant was based upon an extremely skeptical opinion of causality. But, this is not what Russell's argument was based upon. He didn't say, "the universe does not necessarily need a First Cause because it is impossible to say how causality functions;" what he said was, "the universe does not necessarily need a First Cause because it would still be an infinite regress;" something challenged greatly by Aristotelianism and Thomism.

A simple example: before the late seventeenth century, it was pretty much generally accepted that causation required spatial proximity. That is, if X is the (direct) cause of Y, a requirement for that is that X and Y be right next to each other. If X is the (indirect) cause of Y, there must be some chain of intermediary things between them. For example, if I am playing cricket and I hit the ball and it smashes a window, I can be said to have caused the smashing of the window, but only because I directly caused the motion of my bat (which I am touching), which itself directly caused the motion of the ball (which it touched), which directly caused the smashing of the window (which it touched). If there hadn't been this chain of intermediaries, I couldn't have been the cause of the smashing of the window. Causation at a distance was considered not simply something that doesn't happen, but something that is intrinsically impossible, because it is part of the very definition of causation that the things in question be spatially linked. But then Newton came along with his new-fangled gravity, which was all about causation at a distance. This was one of the reasons why it took a while for people to accept his theories. Eventually they did, of course, and everyone decided that in fact causation doesn't require spatial contiguity at all. Today people are equally unsure whether causation requires temporal contiguity, in the same way.

I don't see how this challenges the tradition Aristotelian view of causality. He wasn't aware of what caused objects to fall from the air without a tangible physical cause, but he knew that it was in the order of nature that physical things drop closer to the earth, and so he assigned "nature" as being the efficient cause of such a movement. Excuse me if I missed the point.

These are pretty fundamental issues with the concept of causation. That means that to make the nature of causation part of your argument for God's existence, or indeed for anything, is to weaken that argument very much. Russell was quite right to point that out.

But that's not what he pointed out whatsoever. Russell is simply saying that the Argumentum ex ratione causae efficientis is self-defeating because it requires a cause to the universe but God being uncaused, which is logically inconsistent. Thomas Aquinas would respond, "but if there is no true First Cause, then existence would be impossible; thus one must admit that there is an uncaused First Cause perpetually in existence."
 
Perhaps it is, but is it not also rather petty to simply dismiss these rebuttals without even mentioning that they exist whatsoever? Russell is saying, "the First Cause argument is bunk because it does not consider X." The fact is that X has been spoken of and argued for by hundreds of philosophers since the fourth century B.C. So Russell, when he wrote the passage in question, was either ignorant, intellectually dishonest, or attempting to be so brief that his argument is now worthless.

Of course he was attempting to be brief: the piece you quote is not professional academic philosophy but a popular article, based on a short non-academic lecture, for a wide readership. Plus I'd say his argument, although brief, isn't worthless. I think it's basically sound. Of course to defend it properly would require going into far greater detail than he does. But that doesn't make it wrong, and it doesn't make him dishonest for not doing so in such a context.

As it happens, I disagree with quite a lot that Russell says in that article, starting with his definition of "Christian" and especially his assessment of the morality of Christianity. You and I would probably agree on our views of quite a lot of it. And, yes, he is far too brief with all of it - but of course he is, given that it's just a short talk. But on the arguments for God's existence I think what he says is basically right. These are fundamentally dreadful arguments. There are better arguments for God's existence, in my view, which he doesn't address, but even those aren't really all that good. And plenty of Christian theologians would agree. In fact I'd say that a lot of Christian theologians, and not just those normally labelled "liberal", would agree with rather a lot of what Russell says in that piece.


There are two obvious rejoinders to these. The first is that these can't be called refutations; at most they are arguments, which have not convinced everyone (to put it mildly). If you really think that these are "demonstrations" not simply of the correctness of the cosmological argument but of the logical incoherence of its rejection, then I urge you to get publishing yourself, because you must have spotted something in them that the mainstream of professional philosophers of religion have missed.

The second is that they don't really address the problem you mention. This is a notorious problem with most forms of the cosmological argument and with Aquinas' five ways in particular.

As I understand it, the argument which you're objecting to runs like this:

(1) It's said that nothing can exist without a cause.
(2) It's said, therefore, that the universe must have a cause, which is God.
(3) However, if (1) is true, then God must also have a cause.
(4) But theists deny that God has a cause.
(5) So theists must reject (1), in which case they can't use it as the basis for (2).

Note that this argument is not saying that there is anything intrinsically impossible or illogical about the claim that the universe is caused by God but God himself is uncaused. It's only saying that if you think God is uncaused, you're not entitled to use the principle that everything has a cause to argue for God's existence - because by saying that God is uncaused you're rejecting that principle in the first place.

Now the arguments from Aristotle and Aquinas that you link to aim to establish only that there is a first (efficient) cause of all change in the universe. This is on the principle that if there isn't a first cause, there isn't any cause and hence no change at all - just as, without a locomotive at the front of the train, none of the carriages could move. I'm not convinced that even if you accept the Aristotelian metaphysical framework this has to be the case; the Aristotelian argument in the first paragraph of your first link is flawed because it elides from an argument that without a first cause none of the others would be "the" cause (plausible) to the claim that without a first cause none of the others be "a" cause (implausible). But that's by the by. More important is the fact that neither this argument nor those of Aquinas even seek to demonstrate what you say they do. They seek to demonstrate only that there is a first cause. Even if we accept these arguments whole-heartedly - and I do think at least some of them have something going for them - that doesn't get you anywhere near God. It only gets you a first cause, which could be anything. Indeed, it could easily be that there's a different first cause for all the different kinds of changes in the world - rather than there being a single chain of causation with a single first cause, as Aquinas seems to assume, there could be many different such chains co-existing, each with a different first cause. Even if we accept just a single first cause, that could just be whatever happened first in the universe: the Big Bang, perhaps. (Although that isn't quite the kind of cause that Aquinas envisages, but this is just illustrative.) In most of his five ways, Aquinas concludes that there is something "which we call God"; but he doesn't show that the thing whose existence he's proved must be divine at all.

So I don't see anything in these arguments that attempts to show what you claim they do, namely, that there is something "logically self-destructive" about the argument I outlined above.

Now of course Aquinas goes on - in some of the subsequent arguments you linked to - to argue that God is "being itself" and that he is thus the cause of all existing things (in some sense of "cause"), because they only have being by participation in him. Here again, though, there is, in my opinion, some pretty dodgy arguing - most particularly in the claim that if two things have a property in common, either one must be the cause of the other, or they must have a common cause. Moreover, the concept of God as "being itself" is itself hardly uncontroversial; if God is simply the mere property of existence then he seems to be so abstract as barely to be a thing at all. (This is a general criticism of classical theism, as I'm sure you know.)

Effectively what this boils down to is the claim that God is the sort of thing that can exist uncaused, and which moreover can be the cause of the existence of other things, while the universe is the sort of thing that cannot exist uncaused. The problem is that while the former definition may be fine, since one can define God however one wants, the latter is not, because the universe is not something we're imagining but an actual thing right here. And we just don't know whether it's the sort of thing that can exist uncaused or not, in part for the very good reason that we don't understand causation itself.

Now I may be wrong in my assessment of these arguments. But to call them "refutations" of the rejection of the cosmological argument is to beg the question quite seriously. And I don't think they really even attempt to address the issue I mentioned.

This is true. The "Copernican revolution" of Hume and Kant was based upon an extremely skeptical opinion of causality. But, this is not what Russell's argument was based upon. He didn't say, "the universe does not necessarily need a First Cause because it is impossible to say how causality functions;" what he said was, "the universe does not necessarily need a First Cause because it would still be an infinite regress;" something challenged greatly by Aristotelianism and Thomism.

Well, I think he did, in the part where he says:

...in the first place, cause is not quite what it used to be. The philosophers and the men of science have got going on cause, and it has not anything like the vitality it used to have...

- although you are right that the bulk of the quotation offers a different criticism.

I don't see how this challenges the tradition Aristotelian view of causality. He wasn't aware of what caused objects to fall from the air without a tangible physical cause, but he knew that it was in the order of nature that physical things drop closer to the earth, and so he assigned "nature" as being the efficient cause of such a movement. Excuse me if I missed the point.

I think you have missed the point. The point is that we don't even have an agreed definition of what "causation" actually is or what conditions need to hold for it to occur. Now you may say that Aristotle's categorisation of the different kinds of explanation we offer for events is unaffected by this. Perhaps so, but to that extent, it's not very metaphysically useful. What I mean is: to say that "nature is the efficient cause of things' falling" is almost completely empty of any real meaning, other than that it's natural for things to fall. It doesn't explain why they fall - why "nature" has this effect rather than the reverse. And more crucially, it doesn't explain what it really is for something to be an efficient cause in the first place. Aristotle's aitiology is just a categorisation of how we explain things - it doesn't offer a metaphysics of what causation actually is. As such, of course it's unaffected by our difficulties in understanding what causation is and what conditions it requires. But equally, as such, it's not much use for framing an argument which depends, for one of its premises, upon certain claims about the nature of causation and the conditions under which it may operate.

But that's not what he pointed out whatsoever. Russell is simply saying that the Argumentum ex ratione causae efficientis is self-defeating because it requires a cause to the universe but God being uncaused, which is logically inconsistent. Thomas Aquinas would respond, "but if there is no true First Cause, then existence would be impossible; thus one must admit that there is an uncaused First Cause perpetually in existence."

As I said, Russell could easily retort to that: "First, it's unproven that existence would be impossible without a true First Cause; second, even if this is in fact the case, the universe itself or the first event within it is as good a candidate as God for First Cause. Better, indeed, since we know that the universe exists whereas we don't know that God does. If we want a First Cause, why appeal to a thing which may exist as the First Cause of the thing we know exists, rather than just say that the thing we know exists is the First Cause?"
 
Russell copied his work on logic from Frege. He wasn't even a philosopher, just an opinionated aristocrat.
 
That's both false and irrelevant.

(Well, he was an opinionated aristocrat, but that doesn't stop him being a philosopher. So was Plato.)

I'm not so sure it's false - Russell just happens to discover Frege and guess what! His proof later turns out to be a copy of Frege's, and he gets Frege to even modify it and improve it with him?

Why do you think Russell's arguments are so consistently wrong and stupid when he makes them on his own? The man can't reason and made his name copying and [very diplomatically] stealing other people's work by using his position to promote it. Frege thought his work would never be recognised so he was happy to partner up with Russell who had massive connections in the elite.

Edit: Anyway I'm not trolling the thread - just saying, look at the quality of Russell's work and it speaks for itself. No-one ought to be surprised that his self-authored works are so appalling, considering his background.
 
I'm not so sure it's false - Russell just happens to discover Frege and guess what! His proof later turns out to be a copy of Frege's, and he gets Frege to even modify it and improve it with him?

Why do you think Russell's arguments are so consistently wrong and stupid when he makes them on his own? The man can't reason and made his name copying and [very diplomatically] stealing other people's work by using his position to promote it. Frege thought his work would never be recognised so he was happy to partner up with Russell who had massive connections in the elite.

Edit: Anyway I'm not trolling the thread - just saying, look at the quality of Russell's work and it speaks for itself. No-one ought to be surprised that his self-authored works are so appalling, considering his background.

Come on, On denoting is one of the greatest papers in analytic philosophy ever written (it is depressing to consider that Russell was younger than me when he wrote it), and Russell didn't crib it off Frege or anyone else - indeed it rejects some of Frege's ideas.

Also, Russell's book on Leibniz was certainly not appalling. It's still an important study of Leibniz even today, with analyses that are worth engaging with, and this is true of very few works of historical philosophy from over a century ago. He was certainly wrong in most of his understanding of Leibniz - and his views remain annoyingly widespread among non-experts - but that does not make it a bad work, especially given the materials he had to work with (many of Leibniz' papers are still unpublished even now, which means any analysis of Leibniz' thought is provisional until around 2050, which is when they reckon they'll have published it all).

Nevertheless, this is irrelevant to the topic of the thread. You're basically just advancing a big ad hominem against Russell's argument. If you wish, let's agree that he was a dreadful man who plagiarised everything he wrote, and that his continued standing as one of the greatest philosophers of the twentieth century is just down to good PR on his part; and let's assess the arguments on their own merits, not on their origins.
 
Of course he was attempting to be brief: the piece you quote is not professional academic philosophy but a popular article, based on a short non-academic lecture, for a wide readership.

How is that not intellectually dishonest? If I wrote an article where I made the claim, "atheists are unable to refute the watchmaker argument," I could just as easily say when challenged on that claim, "well they have made arguments against it, but I don't consider them right, so I felt no need to mention that in the interest of brevity." That would obviously be absurd. One can't just ignore legitimate criticism if he isn't personally convinced by it.

There are two obvious rejoinders to these. The first is that these can't be called refutations; at most they are arguments, which have not convinced everyone (to put it mildly).

There's no essential difference between an argument for X and an argument for ~(~X). Given that I am contending that these arguments are logically sound, I see no reason not to call them refutations of Russell's position.

If you really think that these are "demonstrations" not simply of the correctness of the cosmological argument but of the logical incoherence of its rejection, then I urge you to get publishing yourself, because you must have spotted something in them that the mainstream of professional philosophers of religion have missed.

I don't know what you're talking about. Obviously Aristotle and Thomas Aquinas would not have written these passages if they did not consider them to be true, and nobody today would still be an Aristotelian or Thomist if they did not consider this fundamental point on infinite regression to be correct.

As I understand it, the argument which you're objecting to runs like this:

(1) It's said that nothing can exist without a cause.
(2) It's said, therefore, that the universe must have a cause, which is God.
(3) However, if (1) is true, then God must also have a cause.
(4) But theists deny that God has a cause.
(5) So theists must reject (1), in which case they can't use it as the basis for (2).

Yes.

Note that this argument is not saying that there is anything intrinsically impossible or illogical about the claim that the universe is caused by God but God himself is uncaused. It's only saying that if you think God is uncaused, you're not entitled to use the principle that everything has a cause to argue for God's existence - because by saying that God is uncaused you're rejecting that principle in the first place.

I'm with you so far.

Now the arguments from Aristotle and Aquinas that you link to aim to establish only that there is a first (efficient) cause of all change in the universe. This is on the principle that if there isn't a first cause, there isn't any cause and hence no change at all - just as, without a locomotive at the front of the train, none of the carriages could move.

It's not just that. It's also that an infinite regression is impossible. If you chain a series of paperclips together, there always has to be a "first" paperclip, otherwise there's nothing holding the series together. Given that fact, one must admit that there is an uncaused First Efficient Cause to the universe, which we commonly call God. Hence why Aristotle says, "those who posit infinity do away with the nature of the good without realizing it."

I'm not convinced that even if you accept the Aristotelian metaphysical framework this has to be the case; the Aristotelian argument in the first paragraph of your first link is flawed because it elides from an argument that without a first cause none of the others would be "the" cause (plausible) to the claim that without a first cause none of the others be "a" cause (implausible). But that's by the by.

"But that's by the by?" Could you elaborate on that?

More important is the fact that neither this argument nor those of Aquinas even seek to demonstrate what you say they do. They seek to demonstrate only that there is a first cause. Even if we accept these arguments whole-heartedly - and I do think at least some of them have something going for them - that doesn't get you anywhere near God. It only gets you a first cause, which could be anything. Indeed, it could easily be that there's a different first cause for all the different kinds of changes in the world - rather than there being a single chain of causation with a single first cause, as Aquinas seems to assume, there could be many different such chains co-existing, each with a different first cause. Even if we accept just a single first cause, that could just be whatever happened first in the universe: the Big Bang, perhaps. (Although that isn't quite the kind of cause that Aquinas envisages, but this is just illustrative.) In most of his five ways, Aquinas concludes that there is something "which we call God"; but he doesn't show that the thing whose existence he's proved must be divine at all.

There has to be an uncaused First Efficient Cause to activate the causal series, but also following from that, the UFEC has to be continually holding the series together, thus making it eternal.

As for why there cannot be multiple UFECs, this is explained by Thomas in another text. Given that the UFEC has the power of moving matter without being moved itself, it must be an infinite being. In the Metaphysics:

"169. But it is necessary to understand that there is matter in everything that is moved, and that the infinite involves nothingness, but essence does not. But if there is no infinite, what essence [i.e., definition] does the infinite have?"

Thomas' commentary:

"He gives the fourth argument, which runs thus. Matter must be understood to exist in everything that is moved; for whatever is moved is in potentiality, and what is in potentiality is matter. But matter itself has the character of the infinite, and nothingness belongs to the infinite in the sense of matter, because matter taken in itself is understood without any of kind of form. And since nothingness belongs to the infinite, it follows contrariwise that the principle by which the infinite is a being is itself not infinite, and that it does not belong “to the infinite,” i.e., to matter, to be infinite in being. But things are by virtue of their form. Hence there is no infinite regress among forms."

In other words, the UFEC must be essentially infinite; and there cannot be two infinite beings, of course, as that would put a limit on infinity.

Now of course Aquinas goes on - in some of the subsequent arguments you linked to - to argue that God is "being itself" and that he is thus the cause of all existing things (in some sense of "cause"), because they only have being by participation in him.

Beings exist in their own right, even though they are only good qua as being participants in the creative power of God. This point, therefore is irrelevant to the argument at hand.

Effectively what this boils down to is the claim that God is the sort of thing that can exist uncaused, and which moreover can be the cause of the existence of other things, while the universe is the sort of thing that cannot exist uncaused. The problem is that while the former definition may be fine, since one can define God however one wants, the latter is not, because the universe is not something we're imagining but an actual thing right here. And we just don't know whether it's the sort of thing that can exist uncaused or not, in part for the very good reason that we don't understand causation itself.

The universe cannot be uncaused, as then motion and causality would be impossible; and as I've already contended, the UFEC must be essentially infinite.

Well, I think he did, in the part where he says:

My mistake.

I think you have missed the point. The point is that we don't even have an agreed definition of what "causation" actually is or what conditions need to hold for it to occur. Now you may say that Aristotle's categorisation of the different kinds of explanation we offer for events is unaffected by this. Perhaps so, but to that extent, it's not very metaphysically useful.

Let me dig through my books to see if Aristotle or Thomas qualitatively define what causation is. I'll get back to you on this.

What I mean is: to say that "nature is the efficient cause of things' falling" is almost completely empty of any real meaning, other than that it's natural for things to fall. It doesn't explain why they fall - why "nature" has this effect rather than the reverse.

Aristotle didn't know why nature had the property of drawing objects closer to the earth. But that's a matter of physics, not metaphysics. In the realm of the latter, all one needs to posit is that movement has a cause, and as objects move, something caused their movement; which in the case of gravity, the efficient cause is the natural attraction between matter.

And more crucially, it doesn't explain what it really is for something to be an efficient cause in the first place. Aristotle's aitiology is just a categorisation of how we explain things - it doesn't offer a metaphysics of what causation actually is.

Well this is its own issue entirely, and not one that I think I could answer with a few paragraphs! My abbreviated answer:

In Plato's dialogues, the usual course of the conversation was that Socrates would ask for a definition of X, and then challenge his pupils' given definition by offering examples that seem to contradict the usual perception of X. The reason he did this is because he thought that humans did actually understand what X is, they just had difficulty in confining it to a verbal definition; thus he investigated the manner in which we speak in order to isolate the "hidden" truths behind our words. Aristotle follows this in the same manner. We innately know what causation is, the only thing Aristotle is doing is codifying it into a sentence. So it's false that Aristotle was simply offering a categorization of our observations; when he says a being is "that which is," for instance, that is truly what the definition of being is.
 
Tagging this for later reading. Keep it up fellas.
 
How is that not intellectually dishonest? If I wrote an article where I made the claim, "atheists are unable to refute the watchmaker argument," I could just as easily say when challenged on that claim, "well they have made arguments against it, but I don't consider them right, so I felt no need to mention that in the interest of brevity." That would obviously be absurd. One can't just ignore legitimate criticism if he isn't personally convinced by it.

I'll leave the rest for better people than I am. But this is not right. It is not sufficient for a position to be challenged for that challenge to be mentioned. Obviously when one makes an assertion such as 'people are unable to refute this argument' it's an assertion, and listeners are trusting in authority. But they would be doing so if the speaker said 'this argument is true', or 'people have advanced arguments that are unsound against this one'.
When I attend talks, lectures and seminars I frequently discuss them afterwards, and also frequently dismiss an approach as 'not dealt with properly'. It is not intellectually dishonest to say the truth as one sees it; it is dishonest to say what is not the truth.

By calling Russell dishonest you are asserting that he believed that his argument could be refuted but implied that it was sound. This is different from a belief that it was sound when it had been refuted, which is what you assert elsewhere.
 
I find it dishonest that he dismisses the argument so easily, as if it didn't have a mountain of complexity behind it. What he briefly responded to in his article is essentially a strawman, given that it's not what the proponents of the UFEC actually argue.
 
LightSpectra said:
The universe cannot be uncaused, as then motion and causality would be impossible; and as I've already contended, the UFEC must be essentially infinite.

Hi! Motion doesn't need a cause; newton's first law of motion. As a simple example, gas molecules can bounce against the walls of a container without requiring anything or anyone to get them moving. Causality means that the cause precedes effect, not that all events have causes. There are events which happen which do not have causes, such as radioactive decay or many other quantum mechanical phenomena.

Understandable that Aristotle and Thomas Aquinas wouldn't know this, as they were using, well, Aristotlean physics, but the understanding of the natural universe has improved since then; motion doesn't need a force to be initiated or sustained, and there are phenomena which indeed do not have causes.
 
How is that not intellectually dishonest? If I wrote an article where I made the claim, "atheists are unable to refute the watchmaker argument," I could just as easily say when challenged on that claim, "well they have made arguments against it, but I don't consider them right, so I felt no need to mention that in the interest of brevity." That would obviously be absurd. One can't just ignore legitimate criticism if he isn't personally convinced by it.

Certainly you wouldn't be entitled to do that. But Russell didn't do (the equivalent of) that. He gave his understanding of the argument and the reason why he thought it didn't work. He didn't say "theists have tried to overturn my refutation, but they have failed". He didn't make any reference to the debate - to the extent that there was one - at all. I really don't see what's wrong with this. As I said, this was not an academic paper. It was not meant to be an exhaustive discussion of the cosmological argument. It was not even meant to be an overview of the issues involved with the cosmological argument. It was meant to be a short presentation of the reasons why Russell, personally, was not a Christian. Each of the sections is brief, cursory, and non-technical. I don't see at all why, in such a context, Russell would be obliged to mention contrary views at all, let alone go into details about them. All he's doing is setting out what he thinks and the reasons why, very briefly.

There's no essential difference between an argument for X and an argument for ~(~X). Given that I am contending that these arguments are logically sound, I see no reason not to call them refutations of Russell's position.

All right, I'll give you that. But I hope you'll recognise that not everyone thinks they are refutations of Russell's position, and that even people who have studied them far more closely than you, I, or probably Russell are among those who do not think they are refutations of Russell's position. Remember that what we're supposedly talking about here is Russell's honesty or knowledge in making the claims that he did. You said that Russell's text "demonstrates that he's likely never read anything metaphysical of Aristotle or Thomas Aquinas, because they both demonstrate why it's logically self-destructive". What I'm saying is that it demonstrates nothing of the kind, because it's perfectly possible to read both Aristotle and Aquinas in some considerable depth while still disagreeing with them. They are not some kind of divinely inspired authors, to read whom is to agree with them. They are philosophers like any other, who advance claims and arguments which other people may agree with or disagree with. Certainly they are among the greatest philosophers, but to say that anyone who says something that contradicts them cannot possibly have read them on that subject is to overstate the situation to a comical degree.

I don't know what you're talking about. Obviously Aristotle and Thomas Aquinas would not have written these passages if they did not consider them to be true, and nobody today would still be an Aristotelian or Thomist if they did not consider this fundamental point on infinite regression to be correct.

Of course neither author would have written those texts if they didn't think them true. That's not the point. I was trying to make the point I did above, namely that you can't just point to these arguments and say "Voila! objections to the cosmological argument refuted." If they were such self-evident refutations of those objections, no-one with the slightest philosophical education would continue to raise those objections, and all modern analytic philosophers would be dedicated theists. Since this manifestly isn't the case, these arguments clearly aren't the smoking gun that you imply. Apart from anything else, it seems to me that these are not defences of the cosmological argument against Russell-style criticisms; rather, they are articulations of the cosmological argument itself, and that's not the same thing.

I don't know if it's really true that one can't be an Aristotelian or a Thomist without accepting the argument on infinite regression. Perhaps one can't be a Thomist without it; I'm not so sure that one can't be an Aristotelian. It depends on what one means by these terms. Anyone who accepts a substance-accident metaphysics, or hylomorphism, or indeed virtue ethics could be considered an Aristotelian at some level or other. Indeed one may question how much of an Aristotelian Thomas was. I'm sure you'll be amused to know that my former research partner, who is an Aristotelian scholar, didn't much like Aquinas when we did some research on him together. She thought him not Aristotelian enough. She actually preferred Abelard, both as an Aristotelian and as a philosopher in general, which was interesting.

It's not just that. It's also that an infinite regression is impossible. If you chain a series of paperclips together, there always has to be a "first" paperclip, otherwise there's nothing holding the series together.

Right. What Aquinas is talking about here is an "essentially ordered" series. I'm sure you know this stuff better than I do, but let's set it out anyway for the sake of clarity, as well as to make sure I understand it correctly, because this is not my area. An "essentially ordered" series of causation is one where the first thing causes the movement of all the others at once, by its own act of moving. (NB. I use "movement" here in the same sense as the Latin "motus", i.e. pretty much any change, but the easiest examples involve what we would normally call "movement".) Examples are the train, that I gave before, or your paperclips. The medieval philosophers typically used the example of a man moving a stick. In all of these cases, the first in the series (the locomotive; the hand; the arm) moves all of the others (carriage A, carriage B, etc.; paperclip A, paperclip B, etc.; the hand, the stick) at once. Furthermore, it moves them through its own motion. It's not like the locomotive moves, then carriage A moves, then carriage B moves, and so on. Rather, the locomotive pulls all of them at once, and there is a single motion among them.

This contrasts with an "accidentally ordered" series, of which the paradigm example is human ancestry. Abraham (to wheel out the hoary old example) is the father of Isaac, who is the father of Jacob. Now Abraham may be considered the progenitor or ancestor of Jacob. But he is remote from him in time. There is not a single act of begetting by which Abraham begets both Isaac and Jacob. Rather, Abraham begets Isaac, who later goes on to beget Jacob. This is clearly a very different sort of situation from that of the train or the paperclips.

There's a good and clear explanation of all this in this paper, which happily is freely available online.

Now as you know, the medievals, including Aquinas, thought that a key difference between essential and accidental series is that an essential series has to have a first member, while an accidental series does not. This is because, in an essential series, it's the first member that's really doing all the work. You have to have a hand pulling the paperclips, or a locomotive pulling the carriages, because otherwise the paperclips or the carriages are not pulled at all. All the force, to use the word loosely, is in the first one. If you had an infinite series of carriages pulling each other, why would they be moving at all? Why wouldn't they be standing still, or indeed going backwards? There has to be a first one which is pulling the rest, or no pulling occurs.

But this is not the case, Aquinas and his colleagues thought, with an accidental series, because in an accidental series there is not a single impulse coming from the first member in this way. In theory, Abraham could have a father, and that father could have a father, and so on all the way back to infinity. There could, in theory, be no first father. This is because each member in the series has the power to have a son irrespective of his own origins.

This is why Aquinas thought that, from a philosophical point of view, there is no reason why the world must have had a beginning. It could be the case that the world has always existed, because the world can be conceived as an accidental series of causes, and such a series doesn't have to have a first member. Of course, Aquinas thought that revelation teaches us that in fact the world did have a beginning, but it can't be proved that this is the case. And for this, as well as various other opinions of his, Aquinas got into a fair bit of trouble in his lifetime and, especially, shortly after his death.

But Aquinas thought that the world can also be conceived as an essentially ordered series. That is, it is like the train or the paperclips. All the motion in the world (again, taking "motion" to mean change in general, not just movement) must have a first and single cause. It's like a clockwork toy. When it's moving, all its gears and things are in motion. But they are only in motion because there's a spring moving them. The spring itself is not moved by anything else, and it imparts motion to the gears - both those which are immediately attached to it, and (indirectly) to the gears that are attached to those gears, and finally to the parts of the toy which are attached to those gears. The moment the spring stops moving, so does everything else. Similarly, Aquinas thinks, the universe can be conceived as a sort of giant clockwork toy, and the spring is the Unmoved Mover - which is, of course, God.

That, as I understand it, is the argument to the Unmoved Mover, or the Uncaused First Efficient Cause, if you prefer.

Given that fact, one must admit that there is an uncaused First Efficient Cause to the universe, which we commonly call God. Hence why Aristotle says, "those who posit infinity do away with the nature of the good without realizing it."

Right, but there are two things. First, you say "given that fact". But given what fact? Given the definition of an essentially ordered series? No - all that we can conclude from that is that where there is an essentially ordered series, that series must have a first member which moves the others and is itself unmoved. To get the conclusion that the universe has such an unmoved mover, we need to establish that the universe actually is an essentially ordered series. I don't see an argument to this effect in the texts of Aristotle or Aquinas that you linked to, and I don't know of such an argument elsewhere in their works. That might, of course, just be my ignorance. But if this version of the cosmological argument is going to work, it needs that key stage.

The second thing is what I said before: even if we accept this argument, all it gives us is a first cause of the motion in the universe, a sort of cosmic spring. It doesn't give us God. It may be that the first cause is in fact God, but clearly further argument is required for that.

"But that's by the by?" Could you elaborate on that?

I meant that my criticism there of Aristotle's argument is really incidental to our discussion, which at that point was about whether Aristotle's argument addresses Russell's criticism. Russell's criticism, you'll remember, was that if the universe can't be uncaused, then God can't; and, conversely, if God can be uncaused, so can the universe. One can't say that it's impossible for the universe to be uncaused and then explain it by saying it's caused by an uncaused God. What I was saying at that point was that Aristotle's argument doesn't really address this criticism - hardly surprising, given that Aristotle's argument and Russell's criticism are expressed in such different philosophical terms and categories that it's hard even to bring them together for comparison. I then said that I thought the argument wasn't very good for other reasons, but that's not really relevant to what we were discussing, hence "by the by".

There has to be an uncaused First Efficient Cause to activate the causal series, but also following from that, the UFEC has to be continually holding the series together, thus making it eternal.

It only has to be eternal if the series itself is eternal. Of course Aristotle thought it was; equally of course, Aquinas thought it wasn't, and I assume you agree with him. In which case I don't see why the First Cause of the universe - even if we accept that there is such a thing - has to be eternal, any more than the spring of a clockwork toy has to be eternal. The spring has to exist only for as long as the toy is in motion. Similarly, the First Cause of the universe has to exist only for as long as the universe does. If the universe isn't eternal, there's no reason why the First Cause has to be. (Of course, it could be eternal as a matter of fact - the point is that this is not necessitated by its role as First Cause, so it is not proved by this argument.)

As for why there cannot be multiple UFECs, this is explained by Thomas in another text. Given that the UFEC has the power of moving matter without being moved itself, it must be an infinite being. In the Metaphysics:

"169. But it is necessary to understand that there is matter in everything that is moved, and that the infinite involves nothingness, but essence does not. But if there is no infinite, what essence [i.e., definition] does the infinite have?"

Thomas' commentary:

"He gives the fourth argument, which runs thus. Matter must be understood to exist in everything that is moved; for whatever is moved is in potentiality, and what is in potentiality is matter. But matter itself has the character of the infinite, and nothingness belongs to the infinite in the sense of matter, because matter taken in itself is understood without any of kind of form. And since nothingness belongs to the infinite, it follows contrariwise that the principle by which the infinite is a being is itself not infinite, and that it does not belong “to the infinite,” i.e., to matter, to be infinite in being. But things are by virtue of their form. Hence there is no infinite regress among forms."

In other words, the UFEC must be essentially infinite;

Now I do actually like scholastic philosophy, and I particularly like Aquinas, who is a model of clarity in his own way. But I have to confess that he's lost me here. Part of the problem here is that he's using his own definition of matter as the principle of potentiality, which I find hard to comprehend at the best of times. I think there are a fair few problems with Aquinas' understanding of matter, which Scotus highlighted with his customary lucidity. (Most famously: if it is the distinction between this matter and that matter that individuates one member of a species from another, then what individuates this matter from that matter, eh? But that is, again, by the by.)

More important, it seems to me you've misunderstood what Aquinas is arguing for here. He's not arguing that the cause of motion must be an infinite being (in the sense that God is infinite). He's arguing that there cannot be an infinite number of formal causes. (See Aquinas' para. 320.) The kind of "infinity" he's talking about here is not the kind of infinity that God possesses - it's the kind of infinity that matter possesses, in the sense of having infinite potential. He's arguing that this feature of matter is a reason why the fact that (existing) material things do have form cannot be down to an infinite number of causes. I must admit that I'm a bit hazy about why, but that's just me. The point is, however Aquinas reaches his conclusion, the conclusion isn't that the First Cause must be infinite.

and there cannot be two infinite beings, of course, as that would put a limit on infinity.

I don't see that. It depends on what you mean by "infinite". Something isn't "infinite" tout court - it has to be infinitely something. And there are some properties which a thing could have to an infinite degree that wouldn't preclude another thing from also having it to an infinite degree. Length, for example. If there could be an infinitely long road, you could have two of them, side-by-side. You could even have two things of infinite volume, if you imagined that one each of these roads there was a fish tank as long as the road. Each would have an infinite volume. You could have two things each of infinite length, breadth, and height if you imagined them side-by-side, too: they each zoom off to infinity in opposite directions. You could even - if you're not a Cartesian - have two things of infinite length, breadth, and height, each of which has these dimensions to an infinite degree in each direction, if you imagine them occupying the same space. So for properties such as these I don't really see why, if one of them is possible, more of them aren't equally possible.

Now arguably you can't have two beings of infinite power, since the power of each would constrain that of the other. Equally arguably, however, you could, if you could guarantee that neither being would ever act against the other. In fact on some versions, precisely this situation exists with the Trinity. (Except that there are three of them.)

Beings exist in their own right, even though they are only good qua as being participants in the creative power of God. This point, therefore is irrelevant to the argument at hand.

Good. That's something we can forget about then, at least.

The universe cannot be uncaused, as then motion and causality would be impossible;

Only if, as I said, we accept the model of the universe as a single huge essentially ordered series. But not only does Aquinas not offer an argument for viewing it in this way in your texts, I can't personally see any reason to see it in this way at all. Here again we return to the point I made before, which is that we just don't know what causation is or how it works, or indeed whether it even exists at all (occasionalism and the pre-established harmony may not be very fashionable theories today, but they are still possible). I certainly don't see any reason to suppose that, assuming there is such a thing as causation, it operates as an essentially ordered series. I don't see why we have to think that the universe requires an external (or at least a primary) motive impulse, in the same way that a wind-up toy requires a wound spring. Maybe the universe required only a single infusion of force or motion at the start, and since then it's been able to get on with it without requiring any continuous input, like one of those elaborate executive desk toys from the 1980s. Don't scientific laws about the conservation of energy/mass suggest such a model? The universe has got what it needs to keep running within itself - it doesn't need to be pulled.

Now maybe that's wrong and it doesn't work like that. Who knows? That's kind of the point. And that takes us back to what the point of this whole discussion is meant to be. Within a metaphysical framework which conceives of the universe as a great essentially ordered series, then yes, there must be a First Cause. And yes, perhaps we can come up with reasons why that First Cause must be infinite and all the other things. (Aquinas does have some good arguments for God's infinity, which we haven't talked about here, although I still think he doesn't really have a good means of showing that this or the other divine properties can be ascribed to the First Cause as such.) But even if we accept these arguments, they still rest quite clearly on the prior assumptions that the world works in this kind of way. Those are just assumptions, at least within the Aristotelian context you've given, and this is one of the reason why not many people today are convinced by this form of the cosmological argument, because not many people today accept those assumptions. Note that this is true, I think, even among people who accept some other form of the cosmological argument.

Aristotle didn't know why nature had the property of drawing objects closer to the earth. But that's a matter of physics, not metaphysics. In the realm of the latter, all one needs to posit is that movement has a cause, and as objects move, something caused their movement; which in the case of gravity, the efficient cause is the natural attraction between matter.

Well this is its own issue entirely, and not one that I think I could answer with a few paragraphs! My abbreviated answer:

In Plato's dialogues, the usual course of the conversation was that Socrates would ask for a definition of X, and then challenge his pupils' given definition by offering examples that seem to contradict the usual perception of X. The reason he did this is because he thought that humans did actually understand what X is, they just had difficulty in confining it to a verbal definition; thus he investigated the manner in which we speak in order to isolate the "hidden" truths behind our words. Aristotle follows this in the same manner. We innately know what causation is, the only thing Aristotle is doing is codifying it into a sentence. So it's false that Aristotle was simply offering a categorization of our observations; when he says a being is "that which is," for instance, that is truly what the definition of being is.

This may be the case. I don't know; certainly Aristotle did think that whatever all or most people believe must have something going for it - not an unreasonable supposition. But in that case, if you're taking Aristotle's account of causation to be more than just a categorisation of the kind of explanations we offer, and a truly metaphysical account of what causation actually is, then that account becomes more vulnerable to the kind of objection I gave above, namely that we don't actually know what causation is and we don't agree even on the conditions under which causation is possible (or actual). That's the point I was trying to make before: either Aristotle is just offering a categorisation of how we think (in which case he's probably immune to doubts about the nature of causation, but you can't build much of a metaphysical argument for God on this) or he's doing something rather stronger and more metaphysical itself (in which it may offer a more viable basis for an argument for God, but it's far more vulnerable to the problems I've mentioned). That, at least, is how I see it, but what bearing that has on the main point at hand I'm not sure. (That's not my way of saying it has no bearing, for once - I'm really not sure any more.)

So to sum up: there are big problems, in my opinion, with the argument as given, primarily revolving around its assumptions about causation and the nature of the universe - assumptions which I think I can reasonably say most people today would at the very least hesitate to agree with. This is why even among defenders of theism you won't find this version of the cosmological argument being used very much. So if Bertrand Russell criticised this argument, it's not (necessarily) because he didn't know much about it or had not read Aristotle or Aquinas. He did, after all, devote five chapters to Aristotle in his History of western philosophy, more than any other figure other than Plato - although he was rather cursory and unfair in his treatment of Aquinas (which naturally includes a brief overview of the five ways), I'll admit. It is more likely that Russell was well aware of the argument and the form it took in these philosophers, but simply disagreed with its basic assumptions. Not only that, but I don't think that these philosophers did really address the criticisms of the argument that Russell gave in the text with which we began. At any rate, they didn't in the texts we've looked at, or at least I can't see that they do. Perhaps I'm missing something, but then that is in itself indication that it's possible for someone to read these texts and come away without the conviction that the criticism of the cosmological argument has been refuted. If I can do that, rightly or wrongly, Russell could. So that's why I think it's unfair to charge Russell with ignorance because he thought the cosmological argument was unsound. As for the charge of being wilfully misleading or otherwise deliberately dodgy, as I said, I don't think it's appropriate to expect discussion of the opposite points of view in a short talk that covers a lot of topics and is intended for non-experts. Russell wasn't giving an overview of the arguments for and against theism, he was stating what his own reasons were for what he believed. You may think that those reasons were poor or that they had been refuted by greater minds. Perhaps you are right, but that doesn't mean that Russell was stupid, ignorant, or deliberately misleading for disagreeing.
 
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