Votes cast In 2020:
18-24 year olds: 13,752,000
25-34: 24,091,000
35-44: 23,421,000
45-64: 53,646,000
65+: 39,718,000
Total; 154,628,000
Boomers are 56-74
Silent Generation 75+
Best Way To Defeat the Right?
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Votes cast In 2020:
18-24 year olds: 13,752,000
25-34: 24,091,000
35-44: 23,421,000
45-64: 53,646,000
65+: 39,718,000
Total; 154,628,000
Boomers are 56-74
Silent Generation 75+
Zardnaar
Deity
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Zardnaar
Deity
That's the same worldwide I think.
They rolled the right wing leader here not to long ago. Her polling numbers with young voters was well below 30%.
Amoung young females it was under 10%. By young I mean under 30.
Green voters skew heavily towards female young urban professionals. In rural areas around 1%.
Males go for the right overall here as well but it's not to overwhelming (something like 60-40 or 55/45 depending on age groups).
Can't remember the young male numbers.
https://elections.nz/democracy-in-n...out-statistics-for-the-2020-general-election/
Who turns up matters as well. Young people 70% old people 94%.
What you're describing isn't a "less progressive" leftist. You're describing someone who basically isn't progressive at all.
Hmmm... I would have thought that a sound progressive platform could be built around: healthcare, racial equality, voting rights, income equality, tax reform, infrastructure, climate change, social programs, and education. Wasting energy and money going after guns,
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Zardnaar
Deity
They can't be to vocal about it.
You can be a social democratic type capitalist but not a Communist or whatever else.
Well you can but it's political poison/suicide.
Zardnaar
Deity
Thus you avoid the culture war stuff. You're causing more problems than you're solving.
Even if you "win" on the social stuff without fixing the economic side if things when times get tough people veer towards extremism.
Remember, the goal is to get elected and be in a position of sufficient power to make meaningful change. Any candidate has to run on a platform that can stand in the face of the right's inherent media and money advantage.
Zardnaar
Deity
That and it's easier to ask for forgiveness later. Can't do that if you're not in a position to do it.
Trump defeated himself though and BoJo seems to be going that way.
Political gravity exists.
Its got nothing to do with whether they are a Communist or not.
What you are saying is to win leftists have to be liars and hypocrites, hide their true beliefs and intentions.
Zardnaar
Deity
Up to a point. They can't lecture to much or come across as out of touch academic types.
Alot of the ideas seem popular even across the aisle but there's a breakdown between ideas and execution.
Progressives in USA underperformed in 2018, Biden didn't exactly get a resounding win, can't pass legislation and will likely lose seats in midterms this year.
The right doesn't usually outright state they're gonna screw over poor people, run up debt, f over the country, run down the health system etc. It's getting a lot harder for them to hide that though.
Look at Trump's BS MAGA, bigger, better, cheaper, make Mexico pay etc. Complete garbage but there you go.
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Senethro
Overlord
Having to be truthful and achieve functional outcomes is a real handicap.
Why do you repeat the right-wing's inaccurate slurs though?
Jeremy Corbyn, Bernie Sanders, Ocasio-Cortez. None of them are or have ever been Communists.
Edmund Ironside
White Rabbit Object
Going after Christians? I did not know they were considered a target of the left. Unless we're counting communists regimes who have persecuted them in the past.
Narz
keeping it real
Yeah that's a strange one. Everyone coddles Christians and invokes god. If we have an atheist I'm the white house he/she will have to be in the closet unfortunately.
Edmund Ironside
White Rabbit Object
Perhaps you have already had one...
Trump prior to being president did not attend church services, he could not name a single bible verse when asked, and when he did attend church services as president he was reported to act inappropriately. According to Cohen following a meeting with Christian leaders in 2016, Trump afterwards spent time ridiculing their faith in crude terms, asking “can you believe that bullfeathers?”
He also did not appear to let his 'faith' influence his policy much. Cliff Sim wrote about his own struggle to reconcile his Christian faith with working for a president who, for example, “totally lacked nuance” in his attitude toward refugees—particularly “persecuted Christians,” whom Trump “promise[d]” to help but “[never] did.”
That sure sounds a bit like an atheist in the Whitehouse who stayed in the closet and pretended to be Christian so as to not upset conservatives. You must be so proud @Narz , was he everything you hoped and dreamed he would be!
On a side note, I have seen conservatives defend Trump as being a Christian while at the same time accuse the much more openly Christian Joe Biden as being a fake Christian. Then again these are also the same people who believed Obama was a Muslim!
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Farm Boy
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Are you sure that's the goal? Sure doesn't sound like the goal, depending. I bet it sure as **** isn't everyone's.
I'm sure it is not most people's goal. Too many people are impatient and unrealistic. I think it is the appropriate goal if one wants to see meaningful change in the next decade.
Religions also separate into partisan camps. If there are rightwing Abrahamics that use their Scripture to justify their beliefs, then there will always be leftist platforms that look like they're targeting Abrahamics.
None of the faiths function very well in a democratic society, they each run into failure modes and then need to be 'reinterpreted' such that they can survive having and sharing power.
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