You are right - there are some differences:
OJ escaped criminal punishment after a jury trial rather than a technicality.
They had to pry money from OJ via a civil trial - no acknowledgment of wrondoing via a voluntary financial settlement.
Blackwater Murderers Go Free On Technicality
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OJ escaped criminal punishment after a jury trial rather than a technicality.
They had to pry money from OJ via a civil trial - no acknowledgment of wrondoing via a voluntary financial settlement.
RalofTyr
King
What are the grounds for US jurisdiction? It should be tried in Iraq, were the incident took place.
nonconformist
Miserable
However, the jury acquitted because of technicalities.
The American Police, in its glorious professionalism acted in such way as to compromise most of the damning evidence aginst OJ, so the defence had a field day ruring the cross examination, effectively rendering the DNA evidence absolutely worthless.
The jury could not convict without the use of forensics.
holy king
Deity
see, in our justice system we just have the judge say "i dont believe your silly tricks, defense, he looks guilty, end of."
way superior.
way superior.
nonconformist
Miserable
In your system, the guilty plea is nonexistant.
holy king
Deity
well, it isnt institutional, but nothing can stop you from telling the judge you're guilty.
Formaldehyde
Both Fair And Balanced
You know, for someone that purports to believe in "law and order", you sure havent shown it much in this thread... (Or in many others which are quite similiar.)
Ironically, I'm the one who actually advocates justice and fairness while you apparently only do so when you think it is your own best interests. You see, I am all for giving them a fair trial based on the actual evidence. Too bad we can no longer do so due to the Bush administration screwing the pooch, apparently deliberately, by requiring them to testify themselves and allowing them to remove the evidence against them from the crime scene, e,g, the bullet casings which show it was actually a massacre instead of a defensive act as the ones who didn't plead guilty still claim.
But let not let the facts get in the way of personal agendas...
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MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
Of course I have. I have advocated that peoples constitutional rights not be violated. Thats very much 'law and order'. You, however, have checked all presumption of innocence at the door despite the lack of any conviction to the contrary.
And yes, I agree its ironic that you think you actually advocate justice and fairness in this situation. That is quite ironic indeed.
What you fail to grasp is a judge has indicated that they cant get a fair trial because of the actions of the prosecutors.
Btw, you keep on alleging that they were allowed to 'clean up' the 'crime' scene. What evidence do you offer in support of this? I have asked for proof of this like 5 times in this thread and you never offer it, just simply continue to make the same allegation over and over. Do you actually have any proof of this at all?
Rather funny, since I have been asking you for facts for some time now...
Formaldehyde
Both Fair And Balanced
Rather funny, since I have provided them while you continue to ignore them.
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
Rather funny, since I have provided them while you continue to ignore them.
Please point out where such proof that Blackwater cleaned up the crime scene was.....Like I said, the last 5 times I have asked you absolutely have NOT provided any such links or proof in response. So yeah, it is indeed funny that you claim to have provided it at all....
EDIT: Is this what you are referring to as 'proof'?
Formaldehyde said:
Please point out to me where it says Blackwater did this.....I mean, I know I dont have a liberal arts education, so maybe you see proof of Blackwater doing this where I dont.....
Or are you making an assumption that Blackwater cleaned it up? When most likely it was simply local Iraqis scavenging for metal (brass having an actual value that is).
I mean, if you are all about 'fairness and justice' as you say, then you wouldnt have some personal agenda to assume Blackwater was responsible for cleaning the area up would you?.....
Remember...you said:
So I gladly await more facts from you in regards to your allegation that Blackwater was allowed to clean up the crime scene......because that comment about Nisoor Square being picked clean is a little sparse on facts attributing responsibility for the absence of evidence at the site....
Off to the googlemobile with you I suppose....hehe.
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
Speaking of ignoring something.....
I guess by your lack of rebuttal to my fact your frantic google search has turned up completely nil in support of your allegation and that this was indeed a huge assumption on your part.
This would be a good opportunity for you to recognize your error and admit your mistake in assuming that Blackwater was allowed to clean up the scene of the crime since you continually claim to admit your mistakes when you make them. Preferably without using the words 'strawman' or 'ironic' while doing so.
I eagerly await your reply.....
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I guess by your lack of rebuttal to my fact your frantic google search has turned up completely nil in support of your allegation and that this was indeed a huge assumption on your part.
This would be a good opportunity for you to recognize your error and admit your mistake in assuming that Blackwater was allowed to clean up the scene of the crime since you continually claim to admit your mistakes when you make them. Preferably without using the words 'strawman' or 'ironic' while doing so.
I eagerly await your reply.....
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Obviously the Blackwater people have and deserve Constitutional rights just like everyone, and if there was prosecutorial misconduct, the process should be allowed to work.
But going beyond the law to the larger question of whether justice has been done, there's ample evidence that the Bush administration politicized the Justice Department, and now we have another in a series of prosecutions dropped because of misconduct, including Republican Senator Ted Stevens and now Blackwater. I've been saying for years that the worst harm wasn't that the Bush administration fired a bunch of U.S. Attorneys in 2006 for not bringing prosecutions on political grounds, but that they didn't fire the other U.S. Attorneys. Every prosecution from that era -- from an office of a U.S. Attorney who when the Bush administration was firing people for not bringing politically-motivated prosecutions -- has to have a cloud hanging over it.
Cleo
But going beyond the law to the larger question of whether justice has been done, there's ample evidence that the Bush administration politicized the Justice Department, and now we have another in a series of prosecutions dropped because of misconduct, including Republican Senator Ted Stevens and now Blackwater. I've been saying for years that the worst harm wasn't that the Bush administration fired a bunch of U.S. Attorneys in 2006 for not bringing prosecutions on political grounds, but that they didn't fire the other U.S. Attorneys. Every prosecution from that era -- from an office of a U.S. Attorney who when the Bush administration was firing people for not bringing politically-motivated prosecutions -- has to have a cloud hanging over it.
Cleo
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
I'm not sure why some prosectutors being cited for contempt result in a cloud hanging over 'every prosecution' over an 8 year period......surely you dont think the Bush admin was unique in having that problem do you?
And the prosecutors cited in the Stevens case were indeed being investigated on contempt charges....what was the result of the investigation do you know? Were they formally charged as a result?
No, but politically motivated firings and appointments in rank and file has apparently resulted in an incompetent staff of AUSAs.
Berzerker
Deity
Olly North got off on the same screw up... I'd say this stinks, and I'd say its unconstitutional - the state dept shouldn't be interfering in judicial matters.
Two comments: much of the law consists of "technicalities"; in this case the prosecutor's behaviour in trying to make a case is certainly not a "technicality" - they messed up big time (not a legal term, but it sums up adequately what happened here) and the result should not have come as a surprise.
Patroklos
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They are not, the prosecutors were free to coax their own interview out of the defendants, the fact that the Blackwater guys got immunity while talking to the State Department has no relevance as to their ability to be deposed by other people.
Had the State Department not done what they had done these guys would have simply talked to nobody. Who benefits from that?
