Boeing builds a second plant in SC

[Junius]

Just pointing out, Japan's labor cost is lower because there the companies have to provide fewer benefits as the government has more robust programs.

I believe he was also referring to japanese companies that have plants in the US. Often in right to work states that tend to be non-union. Correct me if i'm wrong.

 

[tycoonist]

If you lived in a high-crime neighborhood with a big history of past crimes, would it be considered "retaliation" to move to a better neighborhood where crimes are less likely to happen to you?

And now you're comparing unions and workers to gangs and criminals.

Congratulations, your argument is now A++

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[Traitorfish]

But I don't think the law is "fair" and "fairness" is what takes precedence in this country.

Sod fairness. It's class struggle, not a game of bloody tiddlywinks.

 

[ParkCungHee]

Sod fairness. It's class struggle, not a game of bloody tiddlywinks.

I'm surprised you didn't try the tact of "If it was about fairness, they wouldn't have to go on strike in the first place."

 

[Theige]

Just pointing out, Japan's labor cost is lower because there the companies have to provide fewer benefits as the government has more robust programs.

Is Japan's labor cost actually lower, and significantly so?

I do know Japanese companies make most of their cars outside of Japan, mostly to cut down on costs

 

[Traitorfish]

I'm surprised you didn't try the tact of "If it was about fairness, they wouldn't have to go on strike in the first place."

That would've been a far cleverer thing to say, yes.

 

[amadeus]

Sod fairness. It's class struggle, not a game of bloody tiddlywinks.

If it's a struggle, do you believe violence is justified?

 

[Traitorfish]

If it's a struggle, do you believe violence is justified?

Why would I believe that? The word "struggle" does not carry "armed" around with it as some sort of invisible prefix.

 

[amadeus]

Why would I believe that?

Because socialist views tend to be more radical, and I think there is a correlation between radicalism and militancy (irrespective of whatever radicalism we're talking about) and I wanted to know if you believed violence was justified.

For the record, I certainly believe violence is justified in extreme circumstances, like in a Cuba or Zimbabwe-type situation with an oppressive totalitarian regime.

 

[Traitorfish]

Because socialist views tend to be more radical, and I think there is a correlation between radicalism and militancy (irrespective of whatever radicalism we're talking about) and I wanted to know if you believed violence was justified.

Do you actually now anything about the history of socialism? We don't all just leap to the barricades at the first opportunity.

 

[amadeus]

Do you actually now anything about the history of socialism?

I know the history of socialist countries...

 

[Traitorfish]

I know the history of socialist countries...

Then you'll know that most of those "socialist" countries had people like me rounded up and shot, yes?

 

[Thoughtful Thug]

The only reasonable thing that the National Labor Relations Board can do in this situation is to assure that the employees in Washington will remain to have their jobs in their state, while the other factory that is installed in SC, would have their workers in that state to be equally represented by the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers.

Sad to see that the Republicans like Joe Wilson had resorted to manipulating a SC Boeing employee in order to present a "human face" in front of the committee.

If I was the head of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers in Washington State, I would do my best to infiltrate inside the plant in SC. This is the only way where Unions can combat these interstate tactics used by Corporations such as Boeing here. They have to simply follow them to wherever they go.

 

[FriendlyFire]

they want to relocate in a more business-friendly state.

They should relocate to communist China.

 

[amadeus]

Then you'll know that most of those "socialist" countries had people like me rounded up and shot, yes?

They round up and shot a lot of people, hence my fear.

 

[Junius]

The only reasonable thing that the National Labor Relations Board can do in this situation is to assure that the employees in Washington will remain to have their jobs in their state, while the other factory that is installed in SC, would have their workers in that state to be equally represented by the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers.

Sad to see that the Republicans like Joe Wilson had resorted to manipulating a SC Boeing employee in order to present a "human face" in front of the committee.

If I was the head of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers in Washington State, I would do my best to infiltrate inside the plant in SC. This is the only way where Unions can combat these interstate tactics used by Corporations such as Boeing here. They have to simply follow them to wherever they go.

If the workers in the SC plant wish to join IAM they are free to do so. They are simply not required to. Sounds perfectly fair to me.

 

[Traitorfish]

If the workers in the SC plant wish to join IAM they are free to do so. They are simply not required to. Sounds perfectly fair to me.

He's got a point. It would be entirely unprecedented for a company to exert pressure on employees not to join a union.

 

[Junius]

He's got a point. It would be entirely unprecedented for a company to exert pressure on employees not to join a union.

Same as a union exerting pressure on people to join. I was reacting to the post by Thoughtful Thug that the workers at the new plant be forced to join IAM. At least that was my reading of it. If the union is so great they will want to join. Of course why should let people decide for themselves right?

 

[Traitorfish]

Same as a union exerting pressure on people to join. I was reacting to the post by Thoughtful Thug that the workers at the new plant be forced to join IAM. At least that was my reading of it. If the union is so great they will want to join. Of course why should let people decide for themselves right?

Are you really so blinkered as to think that individual workers sit in a position of absolute freedom between two equally powerful entities, the company and the union? Do you actually know anything, anything at all, about labour history?

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[Junius]

Are you really so blinkered as to think that individual workers sit in a position of absolute freedom between two equally powerful entities, the company and the union? Do you actually know anything, anything at all, about labour history?

Real labor history or your version of labor history? Both sides will be pressuring the employees. If you are saying Boeing is more powerful you are right. That doesn't change the fact that the workers should have a choice. They can join the union if they wish, that is their right. They are also free to opt out of joining. Does that sound unreasonable? Why would you want to take that choice away?