British Multiculturalism
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Traitorfish
The Tighnahulish Kid
No doubt. But, none the less, practically subordinate to German so far as the elite where concerned. German allowed you to talk not just to Germans, but to Slovaks, Slovenes, Hungarians, Italians, everyone. Czech only allowed you to speak to Czechs, and the only Czechs of consequence knew German anyway.
Self-important hobbies remain hobbies.
Well, that's easy: we acknowledge that Britain has seen inter-ethnic conflict, but don't assume that ethnic diversity is the cause of that conflict. Your problem is in assuming that ethnically-structured conflicts are necessarily ethnically-driven, which just isn't tenable.
Certainly your view can also encompass these two realities, that Britain is multi-ethnic and that Britain has seen inter-ethnic conflict, but you've made it clear that this is down to your "90/10" quota, that inter-ethnic harmony demands the numerical and political domination of one ethnic group over the others, and that the absence of such domination, or domination insufficiently supported by weight of numbers, will produce inter-ethnic conflict. So while my perspective allows me all kinds of nuance and complexity and such vis a vis the Northern Irish situation, yours perspective pretty much limits yours to "Start killing taigs; I'll tell you when to stop".
I mean, I guess it could also be "start killing Prods", if you wanted to take it in that direction. You have options.
No, Italians coming to Argentina had a very hard time, actually. Anyway, discussing Buenos Aires as an example, the only really troublesome immigration is from mainland China, because many of them come under Triad pressure or as employees/slaves, and they really don't speak the language, and don't bother to, either.
Domen
Misico dux Vandalorum
Eh, Germanization... Nobody noticed and everyone was speaking German. And it started rather inconspicuously:
"I speak Spanish to God, Italian to women, French to men, and German to my horse."
- Emperor Charles V
Yes. You could not even speak Czech to your horse!
Bamspeedy
CheeseBob
There's no denying Australia has a larger percentage of immigrants than most other countries. I'm challenging the notion that Australia is some sort of 'multicultural center of the universe' that Canada was claiming to hold the title to all not that many years ago. Both countries integrated Asians and whites, which I haven't really seen any country have much of a problem with in the last 50 years.
Of all the different cultures in Asia, I imagine any difficulty they receive in a new country is based on their situation (refugee, student, etc), or their skin color, and not specifically their culture (that certainly does not mean I approve of judging by skin color, I'm merely acknowledging that there are some racists out there). Anti-immigrant people typically do not say "I like these Asian people from country X but not those Asians from country Y", unless perhaps there is one specific immigrant group much larger than all the rest.
Different countries have different challenges. Different immigrant groups have different challenges. A German marrying an Australian does not have the same challenges as a refugee from a war-torn country faces. Racists and racism exists and will present problems, affecting the immigrants differently depending on their skin color. Acknowledging that does not mean I hold those racist views, despite what Aelf and others would have you believe.
Now if you look more closely at where the immigrants come from you may find Australia has more immigrants from war-torn country X, or the the UK has more from country Y. That's a more fair comparison.
Of all the different cultures in Asia, I imagine any difficulty they receive in a new country is based on their situation (refugee, student, etc), or their skin color, and not specifically their culture (that certainly does not mean I approve of judging by skin color, I'm merely acknowledging that there are some racists out there). Anti-immigrant people typically do not say "I like these Asian people from country X but not those Asians from country Y", unless perhaps there is one specific immigrant group much larger than all the rest.
Different countries have different challenges. Different immigrant groups have different challenges. A German marrying an Australian does not have the same challenges as a refugee from a war-torn country faces. Racists and racism exists and will present problems, affecting the immigrants differently depending on their skin color. Acknowledging that does not mean I hold those racist views, despite what Aelf and others would have you believe.
Now if you look more closely at where the immigrants come from you may find Australia has more immigrants from war-torn country X, or the the UK has more from country Y. That's a more fair comparison.
Formaldehyde
Both Fair And Balanced
I hate to even mention it due to the incredibly large potential for another derail, but the largest group of immigrants to the UK are Poles.
From the article posted earlier:
You can even blame the EU for opening the floodgates if you wish to do so:
Again, only 1.3% of the population of the UK are of Arab ethnicity. It should not surprising in the least given that people whose ancestors were from regions with a large amount of British imperialism gravitated to the UK for centuries. This is particularly true of the more affluent ones who sent their children to attend private schools and colleges. Many of them became permanent residents and citizens afterwards. Other predominately Muslim groups would be even smaller percentages, but the same would hold true. You typically need a sizable amount of financial support to be able to emigrate to a country which is not adjoining or nearby your own.
From the article posted earlier:
You can even blame the EU for opening the floodgates if you wish to do so:
Again, only 1.3% of the population of the UK are of Arab ethnicity. It should not surprising in the least given that people whose ancestors were from regions with a large amount of British imperialism gravitated to the UK for centuries. This is particularly true of the more affluent ones who sent their children to attend private schools and colleges. Many of them became permanent residents and citizens afterwards. Other predominately Muslim groups would be even smaller percentages, but the same would hold true. You typically need a sizable amount of financial support to be able to emigrate to a country which is not adjoining or nearby your own.
Which makes me think: how many generations have to pass before someone is a 'native'? If we have a Mr. Khan whose great-grandfather came from Bengal in 1890, does he count as a Brit? Or is his eating of curry an essentially foreign custom, which somehow doesn't make Prince William a Bangladeshi but somehow makes Mr. Khan a 'foreigner'?
aelf
Ashen One
I never said anyone here was racist except for Quackers
It seems intellectually lazy, not to mention dickish, to jump to your totally unsupported assumption.
Domen
Misico dux Vandalorum
Coming back to the Czechs:
Even as late as the 1800s, the Czechs, contrary to popular myth, were not the most westward Slavic-speaking group.
That goes to the Drevani (who lived in the region of Drawehn / Wendland - check the map below), whose language survived until the 1800s:
There are even Drevani dictionaries from the 1700s (at that time this language still had ca. 15,000 speakers) and the 1800s:
"Die Wendländische Bauernchronik und ein Kleines Wendisches Lexicon" by Johann Parum Schultze (whose native language was Drevani).
And:
"Vollständiges Lüneburgisch-Wendisches Wörterbuch" by Johann Heinrich Jugler (published in 1809).
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BTW - those Drevani-speaking people were subjects of King George I of Great Britain in period 1698 - 1727:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_I_of_Great_Britain
Johann Parum Schultze even described in his chronicle the reaction of Drevani when George I became their King.
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Drawehn (later called Wendland) was not the only region deep inside Germany where Slavic language survived until the Early Modern Era.
Other similar regions were, for example:
1) Dertzink Region (in South-Western Mecklenburg)
2) Prignitz Region (see the map below):
And 3) Altmark:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altmark
However, after circa year 1600 Slavic language practically ceased to be in use in these three regions.
So between years 1600 and 1800 Drawehn was the westernmost area of Germany where Slavic language was still in common use.
Even as late as the 1800s, the Czechs, contrary to popular myth, were not the most westward Slavic-speaking group.
That goes to the Drevani (who lived in the region of Drawehn / Wendland - check the map below), whose language survived until the 1800s:
There are even Drevani dictionaries from the 1700s (at that time this language still had ca. 15,000 speakers) and the 1800s:
"Die Wendländische Bauernchronik und ein Kleines Wendisches Lexicon" by Johann Parum Schultze (whose native language was Drevani).
And:
"Vollständiges Lüneburgisch-Wendisches Wörterbuch" by Johann Heinrich Jugler (published in 1809).
====================================
BTW - those Drevani-speaking people were subjects of King George I of Great Britain in period 1698 - 1727:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_I_of_Great_Britain
Johann Parum Schultze even described in his chronicle the reaction of Drevani when George I became their King.
====================================
Drawehn (later called Wendland) was not the only region deep inside Germany where Slavic language survived until the Early Modern Era.
Other similar regions were, for example:
1) Dertzink Region (in South-Western Mecklenburg)
2) Prignitz Region (see the map below):
And 3) Altmark:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altmark
However, after circa year 1600 Slavic language practically ceased to be in use in these three regions.
So between years 1600 and 1800 Drawehn was the westernmost area of Germany where Slavic language was still in common use.
Domen
Misico dux Vandalorum
Traditional Drevani wedding (some customs survived for some time after Germanization):
Drevani village of Karmitz in 1865:
Modern view:
Drevani village of Karmitz in 1865:
Modern view:
The Irish language documentary I just watched on BBC Two Northern Ireland about the treasures of ancient Ulster would disagree with you (it was subtitled in English)
useless
Social Justice Rogue
Multiculturalism except for when it comes to non-white, muslim, gypsy or southern european people
warpus
Sommerswerd asked me to change this
Yeah, isn't Welsh like complete gibberish when compared to English? Yep, I'm pretty sure it is.
Domen
Misico dux Vandalorum
I'm not surprised why English language have replaced Welsh in most of Wales:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llanfairpwllgwyngyll
Link to video.
This name actually means something (surprise!). It means:
"The name means: [St.] Mary's Church (Llanfair) [in] the hollow (pwll) of the white hazel (gwyngyll) near (goger) the rapid whirlpool (y chwyrndrobwll) [and] the church of [St.] Tysilio (llantysilio) with a red cave ([a]g ogo goch)."
So for example "the rapid whirlpool" = "y chwyrndrobwll" in Welsh language. Jeez...
Ekhm... It is not "complete gibberish when compared to English". It is simply complete gibberish.
You're "challenging" an idea that isn't being put forward. Australia is simply an example which illustrates that Quackers' crazy fearmongering is exactly that, and that the "problem" of the UK being overrun with (Polish, Irish and Indian, apparently) foreigners is a raving figment.
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Also, if we're going by genuinely "common language" there's like, less than two dozen words of Welsh Origin in the English language.
Multiculturalism has been a failure in the U.S. since Donald Trump bounced his first Czech.
gay_Aleks
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edited that for ya
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You tell 'em Quackers, don't let the PC police boss you around. 
Mise
isle of lucy
I'm not surprised why English language have replaced Welsh in most of Wales:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llanfairpwllgwyngyll
Link to video.
This name actually means something (surprise!). It means:
"The name means: [St.] Mary's Church (Llanfair) [in] the hollow (pwll) of the white hazel (gwyngyll) near (goger) the rapid whirlpool (y chwyrndrobwll) [and] the church of [St.] Tysilio (llantysilio) with a red cave ([a]g ogo goch)."
So for example "the rapid whirlpool" = "y chwyrndrobwll" in Welsh language. Jeez...
Ekhm... It is not "complete gibberish when compared to English". It is simply complete gibberish.
Despite appearances, it's actually quite an easy language to learn to speak, because it's completely phonetic. And I mean completely, 100% phonetic. The alphabet is actually just the sound the letters make, so if you learn the alphabet, you can literally say any word in Welsh out loud without much practice. It looks difficult because some of the letters are pronounced differently to most other European languages, and because some "letters" are made up of two characters (e.g. "ll" is actually a letter, but is symbolically represented as "double-L"; "ch" is also a letter, symbolically represented as "ch"; etc). I'm assuming that in previous incarnations of the language, those double letters would have had their own unique symbol, in the same way as the thorn in English turned into "th". Even where there are consonant mutations, (such as dropping the "a" from "ag ogo goch"), those mutations are made explicit in the language, rather than having to be inferred by experience as in English
Anyway, point is, it looks difficult, but it's actually astonishingly easy to speak Welsh.
I'd also like to point out that Welsh is the true language of the native Britons, and all you foreigners are polluting our pure, native culture
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