Burqa ban in France goes into effect today..

[Communisto]

Good. Arbitrary laws dedicated to pissing people off are wicked.

 

[wolfigor]

Ban it where identification is important. Religion should never be above the law.

In my opinion I would be ok to ban it in public offices (both government and private) and schools.
It should be allowed in other places, but required to show the face for specific reason (e.g. identify a driver stopped by police, identification upon payment with credit card, etc.).
Law > Religion


However the greatest part of French people seem to support this law: They see the burqua as essentially antagonistic to French values.





for analogy, I've been in places where it was forbidden to wear clothes.
I had to comply or leave.

 

[Squonk]

I have doubts, but right now I think it's a bad idea (apart from security concerns at banks, at the border etc). Some women actually want to wear burqas. Why should one deny them that? Some of them will not resign of burqa, but will simply stop going out, which will make separate from the society even more.
There should be a punishment for forcing people to wear burqas though.

 

[El_Machinae]

I think guys should wear veils, in protest

 

[useless]

Post pics please!

 

[GinandTonic]

I have doubts, but right now I think it's a bad idea (apart from security concerns at banks, at the border etc). Some women actually want to wear burqas. Why should one deny them that? Some of them will not resign of burqa, but will simply stop going out, which will make separate from the society even more.
There should be a punishment for forcing people to wear burqas though.

Yup. 567890

 

[Steph]

Does this ban just the burqa, or the hijab also? If it includes the hijab, does it also ban the shawls that old slavic women wear?

What if someone is with a RennFest and is wearing a full on burqa as part of their costume?

I think a few precisions are needed, since the title is misleading. Although the law came from the burqa, burqa doesn't appear at all in the text of the law. Which doesn't mention religion either.

1) The law bans any face covering clothes from the public space. This include Burqa, Balaclava, ski masks, etc.

2) The hijab is not banned, since it doesn't cover the face.

3) Public space means street, public buildings (including restaurants for instance).

4) The ban doesn't apply at home, in your car (providing the woman is not driving), or in places of worship.

5) It doesn't apply when the face covering item served a safety purpose : so it doesn't apply to an motorcycle helmet when you are driving a motorcyle. But I suppose it would apply if you wear the helmet while walking in the street.

 

[useless]

Are you for this ban, Steph?

 

[Incodcito]

Oh this was supported by like 80% of the country or something.

That really doesn't change the validity of my statement.

 

[Lillefix]

5) It doesn't apply when the face covering item served a safety purpose : so it doesn't apply to an motorcycle helmet when you are driving a motorcyle. But I suppose it would apply if you wear the helmet while walking in the street.

Better warn the Stig.

 

[Steph]

Are you for this ban, Steph?

Yes, I support it. A burqa is very different from a hijab in my opinion.
Burqa means that the woman is "prevented" from face to face relationship, and so is refusing to integrate in a society. It's a kind of walking prison.

However, I don't think this was the most important issue in France at the moment.

 

[useless]

I dislike the racist overtoned of this ban.

 

[GinandTonic]

1) The law bans any face covering clothes from the public space. This include Burqa, Balaclava, ski masks, etc.

Let us not insult each others intelligence with the farce that this has any motivation other than religious clothing. It demeans everyone in the debate.

The wording is a fig leaf to avoid the human rights act, and everyone is clear about this.

 

[El_Machinae]

How're people going to shovel in the cold? Ski in the cold?

 

[Formaldehyde]

I guess mourning and wedding veils are entirely out of the question?

Amnesty International: Women in France banned from wearing the veil in public

Amnesty International condemns the detention of several people, including two women wearing the full-face veil, who were protesting against the law banning the wearing of any form of clothing concealing one's face in public.

The law came into force today. Police said the people were detained for joining an unauthorised protest in central Paris.

"Women in France have the right to freedom of religion and expression. They must also be free to protest when this right is violated," said John Dalhuisen, Europe and Central Asia Programme Director at Amnesty International.

"This law puts France to shame -- a country that prides itself on the human rights it claims to promote and protect, freedom of expression included."

"The law preventing women in France from expressing their values, beliefs and identity should be scrapped."

 

[Ajidica]

Better warn the Stig.

Won't be an issue. France makes the Stig violent.

 

[Formaldehyde]

I doubt The Stig would leave his beloved English airport racetrack.

 

[Ajidica]

He has left it occasionaly, but generaly Top Gear just finds Big Stig in America.

 

[Masada]

I think guys should wear veils, in protest

I'm down!

 

[Dachs]

I think guys should wear veils, in protest

I would love to do this if I actually lived in France.