Bush Attacks Democrats

[MobBoss]

At least Kerry is the lesser of the two evils

Riiiiight.

I am wondering if you ever seen how popular this unjust war is, not very popular. The Iraqi War is as popular as the Vietnam war. Have you ever take a look outside the glitz and glamor of swearing in the president this past January? There were anti-war and anti-bush there also. Certanly the people want out of Iraq.

Sure people want out of Iraq but the majority of people want us to finish the job regardless of how we got into it in the first place. Nobody, but nobodly wants another Vietnam and pulling out now would give us that.

I certanly dont beleve in that the Democrats are corrupt,

One word for ya: Kennedy.

I feel that the Republicans are inept and corrupt

Yeah, thats why they won the elections you voted in.

Dont beleve in me? Just look at what happened to the Governor in my state who was charged with being corrupt

If you havent noticed that kind of stuff happens on both sides of the aisle.

Back to the hurricane situation, the local and state level have never recived any federal help.

!!!! What??? Have you been in a cave?? OMG. On Saturday, August 27 2005 President Bush officially declares that a "state of emergency" exists in Louisiana and orders Federal aid to the affected areas to complement state and local relief efforts. Do you remember that General (General Honore) smoking the big cigar at the head of that column of military vehicles? That my friend was FEDERAL AID.

Again, I dont beleve in this. I still say that Unemployment is still up. Explain to me why I cant find a job for the summer? Its unemployment.

So you choose to ignore the FACTS that I have given in light of your personal inability to find work? I dunno why you cant find a job for the summer....I have no idea what your job skills are..but I can tell you from our conversation that you sure have a hard time accepting fact..that might have something to do with it.

I dont beleve that Bush was misinformed and I have yet to hear him admit that he was misinformed. So I still stand by that Bush lied his way to Iraq.

!!!!!!! Dude...do yourself a favor and get your head out of the sand..read a newspaper...do some google and find out about this stuff...its only been all over the news. Educate yourself, you might find a job!

Well, I refuse to vote since I feel that my vote will be wasted on a losing canidate.

Another informed decision on your part. Nicely done!

 

[MobBoss]

A vote is never wasted. Even if you feel like you are tilting at windmills. Look at me, I voted for Nader for the last two.

I whole heartedly support your right to vote for Nader as much as you like!!!!

 

[MobBoss]

I would suggest the likelihood, that of 90% of Americans had voted in the last election, Bush would not have been elected.

And you base that on what? Did you realize that the voter turnout for the 2004 election was the highest voter turnout since 1968? Bush WON because of the higher turnout of voters. If anything the less vocal right is the more apathetic of either of the two parties...if things are good mom and pop wont vote, but the radicals will and trust me, there are by far MORE mom and pops out there than radicals.

protesting the continuing manipulation and sale of democracy via the purchase of politicians - now that's as valid outside of the USA as in.

You mean like certain campaign contributions from China for certain democratic candidates? Why I think you do.

 

[FriendlyFire]

You mean like certain campaign contributions from China for certain democratic candidates? Why I think you do.

lol as oppossed to those from Saudia Arabia

 

[GenMarshall]

Sure people want out of Iraq but the majority of people want us to finish the job regardless of how we got into it in the first place. Nobody, but nobodly wants another Vietnam and pulling out now would give us that.

Well, feel that we should just leave Iraq now and just let the Iraqis fend for themselves. Right now its not our problem that they have been fighting ever since Alexander the Great conqured the land.

One word for ya: Kennedy.

Kennedy was not a corrupt president. I personaly dont care about his family connections during the prohibition.

Have you been in a cave?? OMG. On Saturday, August 27 2005 President Bush officially declares that a "state of emergency" exists in Louisiana and orders Federal aid to the affected areas to complement state and local relief efforts. Do you remember that General (General Honore) smoking the big cigar at the head of that column of military vehicles? That my friend was FEDERAL AID.

Then why do I hear reports from other people, especialy amongs the minority, that they have not been helped? Certanly not Federal Aid to me when the minority are ignored.

..but I can tell you from our conversation that you sure have a hard time accepting fact..that might have something to do with it.

Thoes so called "facts" are just Republican propaganda in the attempt to get back on their feet. Plus I chose not to beleve anything that comes out of the Bush administration. Perhaps you have not known me well enough to know that I am a Democrat and that I heavely dislike Bush and the Bush administration after they waged this war in Iraq and continued to make me disaprove him more and more as he keeps on making conversational desisions such as touching Social Security.

Dude...do yourself a favor and get your head out of the sand..read a newspaper...do some google and find out about this stuff...its only been all over the news. Educate yourself, you might find a job!

I do read the newspaper. Mind you I live in the Northeast which is heavely Democratic.

And you base that on what? Did you realize that the voter turnout for the 2004 election was the highest voter turnout since 1968? Bush WON because of the higher turnout of voters.

Hmm, I thought it was the election poll conspiricies since I heard that in the past many of the people who are more likely to vote for a Democratic canidate, such as a minority, would be illegaly disenfranchised and denied to vote.

 

[MobBoss]

Well, feel that we should just leave Iraq now and just let the Iraqis fend for themselves. Right now its not our problem that they have been fighting ever since Alexander the Great conqured the land.

Well, you are entitled to your opinion, however, history teaches us that doing so would be a disaster of epic proportion.

Kennedy was not a corrupt president. I personaly dont care about his family connections during the prohibition.

One of the funniest things I read all night. Not corrupt eh? Then why did the mob have him killed? Anyway, here is another word to go with the word Kennedy: Chappaquiddick.

Then why do I hear reports from other people, especialy amongs the minority, that they have not been helped? Certanly not Federal Aid to me when the minority are ignored.

Try listening to someone other than Louis Farrakhan. I mean really, it was a national story about the $2000 FEMA debit cards handed out to some evacuees to help out and then were found to be used at local booze stores and strip joints. The minority were not ignored..as a matter of fact, those evacuees sent to the Astro dome commented on how well they were treated and were so well treated that they planned to stay there instead of move back to old corrupt NO.

Thoes so called "facts" are just Republican propaganda in the attempt to get back on their feet. Plus I chose not to beleve anything that comes out of the Bush administration. Perhaps you have not known me well enough to know that I am a Democrat and that I heavely dislike Bush and the Bush administration after they waged this war in Iraq and continued to make me disaprove him more and more as he keeps on making conversational desisions such as touching Social Security.

ROFL only an idiot would say that the published unemployment numbers are just "republican propaganda". Was it "republican propaganda" when those exact same reports were not looking so good for Bush and yet were still regarded as accurate? Look if you wont believe public published data acknowledged by both democrats and repulicans alike then you are so in denial nothing I can say here will change your mind. Yes, you are a democrat, but you are a lemming democrat, unable to break out of the mindthink and actually recognize a valid arguement and factual data when it hits you square in the head. Ah, social security. He touched it...oh no. Tell me oh great one, does social security as it stands now benefit a black man as much as it does a white man? Careful, that might be a trick question.

I do read the newspaper. Mind you I live in the Northeast which is heavely Democratic.

And being from the NE I guess you got all the inside poop on the fed relief from hurricane katrina...now I understand.

 

[GenMarshall]

ROFL only an idiot would say that the published unemployment numbers are just "republican propaganda".

Now thats just treading onto flaming territory. I was having a civilized discussion here and I do feel offended when you called me an idiot. I may be Democraticly Bias, but not an idiot.

Was it "republican propaganda" when those exact same reports were not looking so good for Bush and yet were still regarded as accurate?

I dont consider reports that does not look good for Bush as accurate and not Republican Propaganda.

Look if you wont believe public published data acknowledged by both democrats and repulicans alike then you are so in denial nothing I can say here will change your mind. Yes, you are a democrat, but you are a lemming democrat, unable to break out of the mindthink and actually recognize a valid arguement and factual data when it hits you square in the head.

Again as I mentioned earlyer; Democraticly Bias, yes. Lemming Democrat, no. But I cannot accept the arguments and data that makes Bush and his administration look good.

 

[MobBoss]

Now thats just treading onto flaming territory. I was having a civilized discussion here and I do feel offended when you called me an idiot. I may be Democraticly Bias, but not an idiot.


I dont consider reports that does not look good for Bush as accurate and not Republican Propaganda.

ITS THE SAME REPORT....what part of that do you not understand? Unemployment numbers were bad early in the administration, but they gradually got better over the years. So you think that its only accurate during the high unemployment years (bad for bush), but not during the lower unemployment years (good for bush)? Ya know, I apologize for using the term idiot, as I am unsure of the exact term I should use in your case. I have never, ever run into a person who wont accept factual data when presented in a logical and ethical way.

Can anyone on his side explain it to him in a way he might understand?

Again as I mentioned earlyer; Democraticly Bias, yes. Lemming Democrat, no. But I cannot accept the arguments and data that makes Bush and his administration look good.

Do you know what a lemming is? Its your inability to accept any data, even factual data, that makes Bush or his administration look good that makes you a lemming. How about this fact and EVERYONE recognizes this as a fact. Home ownership is the highest it has ever been in the history of our country right now. Is that a good thing?

 

[FriendlyFire]

Do you know what a lemming is? Its your inability to accept any data, even factual data, that makes Bush or his administration look good that makes you a lemming. How about this fact and EVERYONE recognizes this as a fact.

 

[Kayak]

I whole heartedly support your right to vote for Nader as much as you like!!!!

And you will tell ne that Bush was the better alternative? Besides I don't live in a swing state. It would deffinately not have made any difference here .

 

[Kayak]

Well, you are entitled to your opinion, however, history teaches us that doing so would be a disaster of epic proportion.

Just what historical lesson are you drawing on? And don't say WWII that has very little similarity.

One of the funniest things I read all night. Not corrupt eh? Then why did the mob have him killed? Anyway, here is another word to go with the word Kennedy: Chappaquiddick.

Now you are in tinfoild hat land.
How was Chappaquiddick corruption? Aside from getting out of the charges maybe. Teddy is actually one of the hardest working Senators (not that I always agree with him).
The current administation has more ethical issues than any since Reagan so watch out when you try to fling mud about this.

And being from the NE I guess you got all the inside poop on the fed relief from hurricane katrina...now I understand.

Not that I know how well CG is informed, but I still have friends down there and people from here went to help too. I don't think you have any inside info here. Bush has little or no defence on Katrina just as there might be less to attack than some would like.

 

[MobBoss]

And you will tell ne that Bush was the better alternative? Besides I don't live in a swing state. It would deffinately not have made any difference here .

Well, yeah, I think bush would be a better alternative to Nader and a majority of those voting thought so as well. Hell, Kerry would be a better alternative to Nader. But I will support your choice to vote for him as its your right to do so.

 

[MobBoss]

Just what historical lesson are you drawing on? And don't say WWII that has very little similarity.

I am refering to Vietnam. While the conflict in itself has its differences, if we pull out the situation will deteriorate into much the same result. Massive loss of life as those we once protected are killed by their enemies. And when I say massive I mean in the millions, which would certainly dwarf the estimated 20,000 civilian casualties now.

Now you are in tinfoild hat land.
How was Chappaquiddick corruption? Aside from getting out of the charges maybe. Teddy is actually one of the hardest working Senators (not that I always agree with him).

Thats what I meant - him slithering out of the charges by his and his families influence. I might have agreed with you if your sentence said this "Teddy is actually one of the hardest drinking Senators (not that I always agree with him".

The current administation has more ethical issues than any since Reagan so watch out when you try to fling mud about this.

Every administration ends up having some type of "ethical issue". Its like a requirement of the office.

I don't think you have any inside info here.

My job is to help get soldiers to deploy to war and to emergencies like Katrina. I am there when they get sent off and when they return. My "inside information" is first hand accounts of people that went down there to help out. We still have flight crews down there. Hell, my wife and two oldest kids volunteered with a group from our church and went all the way from where I live in Tacoma, WA to a place called Waveland, Mississippi to put up temporary shelters for 10 days.

Yeah, I got a bit of inside information.

 

[Kayak]

I am refering to Vietnam. While the conflict in itself has its differences, if we pull out the situation will deteriorate into much the same result. Massive loss of life as those we once protected are killed by their enemies. And when I say massive I mean in the millions, which would certainly dwarf the estimated 20,000 civilian casualties now.

What!?! Do you really think that staying in Vietnam was a viable solution to their civil war?

Thats what I meant - him slithering out of the charges by his and his families influence. I might have agreed with you if your sentence said this "Teddy is actually one of the hardest drinking Senators (not that I always agree with him".

If you want to pick on someone for this Bush would be on my top ten list. And as for drinking, Bush was up there at that time too. (not to mention cocaine)

Every administration ends up having some type of "ethical issue". Its like a requirement of the office.

Your argument has run like this: Democrates are corupt! reply: But what about all of the instances of Republican coruption? answere: Aw they all do it it's not a big deal. You can't attack one and defend another if this is your excuse.

Yeah, I got a bit of inside information.

But not more than many others is my point.

 

[MobBoss]

What!?! Do you really think that staying in Vietnam was a viable solution to their civil war?

I think that war could have been won and should have been won, but the american people just gave up on it. I think pulling out of Vietnam was one of the all time low points for our nation as it directly resulted in over a million civilian casualties inflicted on the south vietnamese. Just like in Iraq, you can argue the reasons why were are there, but once we are in there, we need to be united in getting the job done and getting back out.

If you want to pick on someone for this Bush would be on my top ten list. And as for drinking, Bush was up there at that time too. (not to mention cocaine)

No arguement there, the man admits it himself.

Your argument has run like this: Democrates are corupt! reply: But what about all of the instances of Republican coruption? answere: Aw they all do it it's not a big deal. You can't attack one and defend another if this is your excuse.

Well....the democrats are more corrupt!! ...I think it is possible to argue levels of corruption and/or proof, but I do agree and have said so before - this kind of stuff happens on both sides.

 

[IglooDame]

I think that war could have been won and should have been won, but the american people just gave up on it. I think pulling out of Vietnam was one of the all time low points for our nation as it directly resulted in over a million civilian casualties inflicted on the south vietnamese. Just like in Iraq, you can argue the reasons why were are there, but once we are in there, we need to be united in getting the job done and getting back out.

There's the crux of the issue right there. Not all of us believe that Vietnam was 'winnable' either.

 

[dgfred]

There's the crux of the issue right there. Not all of us believe that Vietnam was 'winnable' either.

Do you really think that? I always felt the war was winnable, but not in
a way that would be satisfactory to the American people, administration and
South Vietnamese nation. I mean starting in the southern tip and wiping out
everything until we were satisfied, sort of like Korea. What are your
thoughts on the possibilities? I really respect your opinions so I am
interested to know.

 

[Kayak]

Do you really think that? I always felt the war was winnable, but not in
a way that would be satisfactory to the American people, administration and
South Vietnamese nation. I mean starting in the southern tip and wiping out
everything until we were satisfied, sort of like Korea. What are your
thoughts on the possibilities? I really respect your opinions so I am
interested to know.

Nah, then we would have to deal with the bird flu epidemic directly instead of standing around whining and fearmongering.

 

[dgfred]

Nah, then we would have to deal with the bird flu epidemic directly instead of standing around whining and fearmongering.

Oh we would wipe out all the birds too

 

[IglooDame]

Do you really think that? I always felt the war was winnable, but not in
a way that would be satisfactory to the American people, administration and
South Vietnamese nation. I mean starting in the southern tip and wiping out
everything until we were satisfied, sort of like Korea. What are your
thoughts on the possibilities? I really respect your opinions so I am
interested to know.

I'm working off of a 15-year-old opinion here (and only vaguely remembered supporting arguments), but the Korean War was a conventional conflict, with coherent front lines. The front went down to Pusan, then up nearly to the Chinese border, then back down past Seoul, and then back up just past the 38th parallel, but nevertheless there was a sense that the South Koreans in general supported Syngman Rhee versus NK's Kim Jung Il. The US/UN forces didn't wipe out everything in the drives northward, they just did what armies do on an offensive, and pushing the NKs and ChiComs northward was as liberating to the South as pushing the Germans out was to France.

In VietNam (and in post-Saddam Iraq), there were never any front lines. There couldn't be, as US military power would overwhelm VietCong/North Vietnamese forces in straight-up confrontations, neatly proven by the results of the Tet Offensive. In Vietnam, Afghanistan, Chechnya, and Iraq battle lines don't exist. The crux of it is that the foreign power eventually has to go home, and the insurgency is simply a method of bleeding the foreign power until its domestic public opinion forces a withdrawal. Using the tactics the US (and the Russians, for that matter) use - just trying to bleed the insurgency as much as possible - won't work in the long run because they eventually have to go home. At least in Iraq they're working on stabilizing the government and infrastructure, but I don't see an Iraqi government without considerable US military assistance being able to control an insurgency on their own.

And given the collective national guilt over misdeeds in VietNam, and the worldwide disapproval of Russian tactics in Afghanistan and Chechnya, I don't think a "MOAB 'em all and let Allah sort them out" is feasible at any level in Iraq - we're there to implement democracy, not stain it.