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Bye-Bye Religions?

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by cybrxkhan, Feb 19, 2010.

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Should religions be removed from CivV?

  1. Yes

    34 vote(s)
    6.8%
  2. No

    387 vote(s)
    77.4%
  3. Put it in an expansion pack

    47 vote(s)
    9.4%
  4. I don't care

    32 vote(s)
    6.4%
  1. cybrxkhan

    cybrxkhan Asian Xwedodah

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    Well, so it seems that religions really could (or will?) get the boot and get kicked out of CivV. Thoughts on this? Personally I think it's a terrible thing, and although of course it won't ruin CivV, I feel like the designers could have had at least tried to improve on the game aspects in CivIV. I hope religions will be reintroduced in an expansion pack, since they do make the game a bit more interesting, really.
     
  2. SS-18 ICBM

    SS-18 ICBM Oscillator

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    Say it ain't so. I love the diplomatic impact of religion. If anything, it should be expanded.
     
  3. Lord Tirian

    Lord Tirian Erratic Poster

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    Where's the special snowflake option! :p I voted for expansion pack... but I'll just repost what I posted on WePlayCiv:
    So: I would like to keep religion, but... if it has no place in the game mechanically, don't put it in.

    Cheers, LT.
     
  4. Sian

    Sian Emperor

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    the reason it appears to be done is because the way they're shifting Diplomacy, religion aren't a contributor for anything ... or something ... short of long ... its due to improved diplomacy that Religion as a game mechanic is killed for the time being

    LT:

    As far as i understand from the article the powerblocs would be created around those wanting to shallow the autonomus citystates (think AI playing OOC/Minor Nations), and those wanting them to stay citystates (and being friendly with them which is going to give (as of yet unspecified) bonuses)
     
  5. Seventh Child

    Seventh Child Chieftain

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    I voted no, but it's not that clear cut.
    If Religion isn't serving a purpose, I can live without it. We lived without it in 1, 2 and 3. I imagine the complete remaking of the game has not really taken religion into account and it would be an idea in search of a mechanic (Which can lead to bad design).

    But I'd really like to see it in. It can't just be shoved in for diplomatic reasons, because there would be little other reason to adopt one without some other incentive (like happiness/various civics in IV) aside from flavour.

    It would really be a shame to see it not make it in though.
     
  6. _random_

    _random_ Jewel Runner

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    Someone else suggested that religions could act as mini-civilizations in their own right, suggesting wars and demanding more religious buildings. I could live with that if it's true that religion doesn't have a place in the new diplomatic system.
     
  7. Woodreaux

    Woodreaux Prince

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    Religion was one of the best implemented new features of Civ IV. It's elegant and its affect on the game isn't to strong nor too weak. It would be a shame to leave it behind.
     
  8. robward5

    robward5 Chieftain

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    I love religion in Civ 4, but can totally see why it could be left out in the new game. I'm fairly sure that corporations and espionage may well have been considered for a vanilla release in Civ, but simply made more sense as something for a future expansion. I'd rather see different concepts done well and introduced gradually, than have everything included, but not balanced at the start.
     
  9. Shiggs713

    Shiggs713 Immortal

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    I voted no, but mainly for game mechanics reasons. The way they were in civ4 I did not enjoy so much, I'd like to see them in, but only if they did it right. Less impact on economics more impact on flavor, society, and culture. Perhaps more religions driven wars, which all of those could affect economics, just no direct impact please. Civ4 religion was not exciting really at all to me.
     
  10. squadbroken

    squadbroken King

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    I have to go with "I don't care". While the implementation of religion in Civ 4 was clean and simple, it was also minor enough that I wouldn't be upset if it was missing in Civ 5.
     
  11. Silv Something

    Silv Something Pi(e) Loving Maniac

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    Where did everyone here it will/might be cut?

    Anyway, it was nice feature, but if there's no point, there's no point in putting it in the game. Perhaps it would always be choose religions, but no shrines to stop unfair advantages from luck?
     
  12. DMOC

    DMOC Mathematician

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    I wouldn't like it to disappear. I think that the game will have religion play a more minor role (such as part of an expanded random event).
     
  13. Drago Askani

    Drago Askani Warlord

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    religion was okay, corporations were just pain in the ass religions. so I assume with religion out the door corps will be too.
     
  14. say1988

    say1988 Deity

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    While Corps operated similarly to religion, they played an entirely different role, lacking the entire diplomatic aspect, purely about money and other benefits. They could be improved, but I would like them to stay.

    I would love to see individualised religions with more affects, but know that will never happen, so I don't mind religion disappearing, since they play a relatively small role in the game (especially without diplomacy). I would rather they implement a good espionage system and corporations from the start rather than in the second x-pack.

    Though properly implemented they would deserve a place in a future x-pack.
     
  15. Camikaze

    Camikaze Administrator Administrator

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    If they aren't in the vanilla version, I can't see them going into an expansion, tbh. What's holding it back is apparently the new diplomacy system, so if it was to be implemented in an expansion, it would still need to be completely separated from diplomacy. It would still have the exact same limitations to entry into the game as there are apparently with the vanilla version.
     
  16. _random_

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    True. The only way I can see it in an expansion is if its implementation in the game is radically different from [civ4].
     
  17. darkedone02

    darkedone02 The Suggestor

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    religion been a major thing through history and if they remove that, civilization will not be like it was. Without religion, a key element of some mods such as Fall from Heaven and Warhammer Fantasy will not be there. Also religion help start wars and bring peace. I say keep the religion factor, it's an important factor when playing civilization.
     
  18. Dark_Jedi06

    Dark_Jedi06 "Deus ex Machina."

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    Religion has had some of the most profound effects on human history and should definitely be included in something as epic as Civilization. There's so much they could improve upon the religion system as it was in Civ IV (the Apostolic Palace being a good start). A real shame they're deciding to remove it...I've always wanted actual bloody and violent holy wars. :cry:
     
  19. classical_hero

    classical_hero In whom I trust

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    Well the shuld make some religions to have a more of an effect as some religions can coexist with each other and some are contrary to each other, so we should make it more realistic that way.
     
  20. jb2386

    jb2386 Chieftain

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    Removing religions is a big mistake. They were an awesome addition to Civ 4! They had such a massive impact on most civilizations throughout history. If anything it should have been expanded, other religions (egyptian or roman gods for instance) or even continually changing/evolving religions. Though, I would be just as happy with the current civ 4 implementation. It add an extra factor to diplomacy and war.

    Corporations I would be happy to see go. They weren't right for a "civilization" games. Countries/Governments don't control corporations, and the ones that do (i.e. socialist/communist) in Civ 4 couldn't let you build corporations!
     

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