C2C Balance Thread
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The change of the Housing buildings replacing each other again slows the early game down for sure. Can no longer crank up your production prior to Architecture by running Grass Huts, Hide Tents, etc. in the same city at the same time. I actually like it because I thought the other way made early game production excessive. Also results in less gold availabe.
Hydromancerx
C2C Modder
Glad you like it since its a hybrid of both methods (housing diversity + house replacement).
@All:
I added my gamespeed changes for V24. The changes are as follows;
1. I increased all research, training, production, and other modifiers by 25%. My math said that the game was playing too fast for the number of turns in the gamespeeds, so I had two options. One was this, and the second was reducing the number of turns, which would have been a MAJOR pain, so I increased modifiers. Test games show that this makes progression very close to normal on Epic and Marathon up till Renaissance.
2. Inflation has been increased a tad on Eternity and Snail, as those speeds tend to have more gold, regardless of the difficulty level.
I tested this with my own playing game and with an AI-only game, and things seem to work fine, but as always, feedback is appreciated.
I added my gamespeed changes for V24. The changes are as follows;
1. I increased all research, training, production, and other modifiers by 25%. My math said that the game was playing too fast for the number of turns in the gamespeeds, so I had two options. One was this, and the second was reducing the number of turns, which would have been a MAJOR pain, so I increased modifiers. Test games show that this makes progression very close to normal on Epic and Marathon up till Renaissance.
2. Inflation has been increased a tad on Eternity and Snail, as those speeds tend to have more gold, regardless of the difficulty level.
I tested this with my own playing game and with an AI-only game, and things seem to work fine, but as always, feedback is appreciated.
One thing i've found is that increasing the iconstuct helps the AI since they have the inherent construction speed bonus relative to us humans (especially on harder difficulty levels). This advantage has more of an impact when you change this, so +25% is good, and im glad you didn't make it +25 iconstruct and +50 research or something, the scale is already tilted in research's favour heavily.
If you think of it this way, the sooner you improve your land with workers the more productive the city will become and this means a better city in the long run.
If humans get buildings at a very similar speed, although the AI gets them quicker, there advantage is somewhat nullified. For example, if the ai can build a building in 2 turns and the human in 3 - compared to if the ai can build this building in 4 turns compared to humans 7.
Also if both AI+human can build all the buildings they need - the end result is the same despite one player getting to this point a little quicker.
If you think of it this way, the sooner you improve your land with workers the more productive the city will become and this means a better city in the long run.
If humans get buildings at a very similar speed, although the AI gets them quicker, there advantage is somewhat nullified. For example, if the ai can build a building in 2 turns and the human in 3 - compared to if the ai can build this building in 4 turns compared to humans 7.
Also if both AI+human can build all the buildings they need - the end result is the same despite one player getting to this point a little quicker.
Raised by Talin in another thread, but I'd like to take up the sugestion, adn heer seems the best place for debate...
..Talin points out that slavery + patrician is broken, since essentailly unlimiited slaves settled as citizens gives both massive production AND massive gold.
My take on this is that slavery (only) is broken, but one of Talin's suggestions seems both balanced (still leaves advantages, but prevents them scaling out of hand) and realistic. That is that slaves settled as citizens should consuime 1 food per turn. That's one third of a 'real' population so reflects you feeding your slaves poorly, but it would keep you from amassing unreasonable numbers of them.
Opinions...?
..Talin points out that slavery + patrician is broken, since essentailly unlimiited slaves settled as citizens gives both massive production AND massive gold.
My take on this is that slavery (only) is broken, but one of Talin's suggestions seems both balanced (still leaves advantages, but prevents them scaling out of hand) and realistic. That is that slaves settled as citizens should consuime 1 food per turn. That's one third of a 'real' population so reflects you feeding your slaves poorly, but it would keep you from amassing unreasonable numbers of them.
Opinions...?
How about 2 food/turn, normal citizens consume 3 food/turn.
Better to tweak small to begin with and see if it has enough effect I think. Can easily be tuned later. One issue would be how to get rid of slaves-settled-as-citizens later if the food penalty was more than they were worth. Without a way to do that the mechanism might have unintended longer term effects.
JosEPh_II
TBS WarLord
If -2 food would cause more AI and Players to not sit on Slavery Civic for the whole game I'm All For It!
JosEPh
JosEPh
Fine, let's start with -1 food and see what happens. As Koshling said, we can always change things later.
Dancing Hoskuld
Deity
I reckon they should be settled as Slaves and when you change from the slavery civic they convert to citezens on a two for one basis rounded down. This assumes Koshling did expose the change civic event and how.
I haven't exposed it yet, but I easily could. The settled-slaves-use-food mechanic would need a DLL change also, so either way we need some changes. In the food case I'd just make free citizen specialists cost 1 food, so normal citizens would not cost extra.
