C2C - Clinton vs Trump Leaderheads

[Hydromancerx]

Now that we are so close to the elections I was thinking what leader head traits would Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump have if they were Leaderhead in C2C? Note it would be 2 positive and 1 negative trait. This is what I have come up with ...

Hillary Clinton
- Deceiver
- Politician
- Cruel

Donald Trump
- Charismatic
- Financial
- Megalomaniac

Do you agree? Disagree? What would their traits be if you made them a leaderhead?

 

[Thunderbrd]

lol... I was thinking this too but I've got a whole new trait set I was considering. For the set we have I think you've pretty much nailed it though I'm not sure if Cruel could be replaced by something that indicated she's a criminal or not.

I might also have to challenge Charismatic on Trump. Hard to say what it should be replaced by though.

 

[Hydromancerx]

Yeah it is hard to pick the negatives since there are so few of them. And many just do not apply such as Foreign and Barbarian. Also the rational for Trump's Charismatic trait is that he was on TV and in movies.

Also if someone wants to do one for Bernie Sanders too that might be fun to see.

 

[JosEPh_II]

They look about right to me.

JosEPh

 

[Thunderbrd]

Trump: I might go with Industrious over Charismatic. Simply because he's really not that charismatic. He thinks he is. Some few think he is. But generally speaking, he's no Obama (who I think WOULD get Charismatic.) He wants to deregulate the hell out of industry so that would have a pretty accurate effect to the trait. Possibly Imperialistic, though really that would apply to Hillary moreso I think and may be best to replace Politician for her.

Clinton: Maybe Populist over Cruel though I don't think Populist has the best sense of definition at the moment.

Bernie Sanders:
- Humanitarian
- Scientific
- Idealistic

Jill Stein:
- Humanitarian
- Progressist
- Revolutionary

Gary Johnson:
- Creative
- Agricultural (lol)
- Idealistic (too bad there's not one for flat out stupid)

 

[Hydromancerx]

Sounds like we might need to add some new Negative Traits.

 

[Thunderbrd]

Sounds like we might need to add some new Negative Traits.

Working on it!
[url=https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10x9-xZ6XzLA6CewEmZTN-r_0b65DlgWVPK1WGYAsEK8/edit?usp=drive_web]C2C Traits I (Military)[/URL]
C2C Traits II (Religious)
C2C Traits III (Yields and Commerces)
C2C Traits IV (Properties and Misc)

I'm mostly finished redefining up through the second link there. I've gotta get definition on things like buildings and so on and I'm working on the building spreadsheet to help with that as well. Then it's all gotta go into XML work. Then a little debugging as I understand some of the tags aren't working perfectly. Those defined are not the full list of all that will be by the time this is done. A few more are envisioned without being worked out yet.

 

[pepper2000]

Hydro: I see you are in California. I'm in San Fran.

Are there any contemporary leaders who will be worthy of inclusion in Civ XXIV? I'm guessing neither Clinton nor Trump would make the cut. Putin or Xi Jinping possibly, not to endorse what they do but to note their skill and world significance. Maybe Angela Merkel.

 

[tmv]

The problem with contemporary (or future?) leaders is that you don't know enough about them. What is it called in english? Don’t count the chickens before they are hatched. - I think.

And leaders might change their policies while they are still in office. Putin before 2008 (or was it 2006) was far less aggressive (or at least it seemed that way), T. May was opposed to the Brexit before the vote and now has to carry it out, A. Merkel before 2011 was in favor of nuclear energy, Obama in 2008 was a political opponent of H. Clinton (for some reason ), Yeltsin was highly respected in the west in the beginning of the 90's, when Bush became president in 2001 there was no "war on terrorism". In most of these cases these leaders would have gotten different traits in a civ-like game before or after these changes. People can change, and public perception of them can change even more.

Even historical leaders are sometimes judged today in a completely different light than back in their day. During the Roman Republic today's system of left and right didn't exist yet, but there were two parties in the senate that could be considered as left and right. What is perhaps surprising is that both Caesar and Augustus, who started the type of monarchy in the west that lasted until the 18th to 20th century were leftists. The conservatives of the 1st century BC were completely opposed to monarchy, in fact Caesar's murderers were conservatives.

 

[Thunderbrd]

The problem with contemporary (or future?) leaders is that you don't know enough about them. What is it called in english? Don’t count the chickens before they are hatched. - I think.

And leaders might change their policies while they are still in office. Putin before 2008 (or was it 2006) was far less aggressive (or at least it seemed that way), T. May was opposed to the Brexit before the vote and now has to carry it out, A. Merkel before 2011 was in favor of nuclear energy, Obama in 2008 was a political opponent of H. Clinton (for some reason ), Yeltsin was highly respected in the west in the beginning of the 90's, when Bush became president in 2001 there was no "war on terrorism". In most of these cases these leaders would have gotten different traits in a civ-like game before or after these changes. People can change, and public perception of them can change even more.

Even historical leaders are sometimes judged today in a completely different light than back in their day. During the Roman Republic today's system of left and right didn't exist yet, but there were two parties in the senate that could be considered as left and right. What is perhaps surprising is that both Caesar and Augustus, who started the type of monarchy in the west that lasted until the 18th to 20th century were leftists. The conservatives of the 1st century BC were completely opposed to monarchy, in fact Caesar's murderers were conservatives.

Thus, Developing Leaders.

 

[strategyonly]

Hillary Clinton
- Progressist (Since she won over Bernie she and he "compromised together) almost 90% of his ideas now)
- Politician
- Idealistic

Donald Trump
- Industrious (because he took over his dad's industrial complexes and has Casino's)
- Financial
- Megalomaniac

I dont like any of the others and wont include them in anything at all, especially the Green and Independent otherwise you'd have to include all those other republican losers . Bush/Cruz etc etc ..

 

[Thunderbrd]

especially the Green

Careful... that's the only one worth voting for this year if you can. (IMO anyhow)

You nailed it that Hillary stole most of Bernie's ideas though

 

[strategyonly]

Careful... that's the only one worth voting for this year if you can. (IMO anyhow)

You nailed it that Hillary stole most of Bernie's ideas though

Green, no way, thats just a joke, and my bad word writing, should have used progressed to use Bernie's stuff, but no way stole it, thats why she is the BEST here, she does compromise. And please now, lets not get into a political writing in C2C threads, they have that in the "General" threads already . .so if inclined to do so, pls do there NOT here. . thx . . .SO

 

[JosEPh_II]

Hillary Clinton
- Progressist (Since she won over Bernie she and he "compromised together) almost 90% of his ideas now)
- Politician
- Idealistic

Donald Trump
- Industrious (because he took over his dad's industrial complexes and has Casino's)
- Financial
- Megalomaniac

I dont like any of the others and wont include them in anything at all, especially the Green and Independent otherwise you'd have to include all those other republican losers . Bush/Cruz etc etc ..

Sorry to say SO but you are the only one politicizing this thread, "all those other republican losers . Bush/Cruz etc etc ..". You have your opinion but it does not make it right for all, just you.

JosEPh

 

[Thunderbrd]

I'm biting my tongue. I promise it's NOT easy. You should see me on twitter.

 

[Shoobs]

Obama:
Politician
Deceiver
Hunter-Gatherer

 

[strategyonly]

Sorry to say SO but you are the only one politicizing this thread, "all those other republican losers . Bush/Cruz etc etc ..". You have your opinion but it does not make it right for all, just you.

JosEPh

HUH?? OK if they didnt win the R Primary, then they "lose" ,hence "losers", isnt that a normal term, geez . .dont read into it too much . ..

 

[pepper2000]

Tbird: what's your Twitter handle?

 

[JosEPh_II]

HUH?? OK if they didnt win the R Primary, then they "lose" ,hence "losers", isnt that a normal term, geez . .dont read into it too much . ..

You posted it. Perhaps you should edit it, since you put it in Red to highlight it on purpose. When I see a spade I call it a spade. And you are back tracking now. Should've thought about that post before doing it SO.

JosEPh

 

[strategyonly]

You posted it. Perhaps you should edit it, since you put it in Red to highlight it on purpose. When I see a spade I call it a spade. And you are back tracking now. Should've thought about that post before doing it SO.

JosEPh

Again reading into it, i did it in red because that was before i figured out on this NEW system how to do colors, and i dont back track . .pls dont put words into my mouth . .back to the main line, traits pls . . .