Castle doctrine has another success

[Borachio]

Then why have a gun?

 

[Bugfatty300]

Then why have a gun?

Because I like guns. They're fun to shoot and collect.

 

[JohnRM]

And the result of carrying a firearm, in this case, is that the man is left alive, his son is left dead, and the question of whether he should possess a firearm at all must remain unanswered for the rest of his life.

Which would you rather: stay alive and kill your own son, or be killed and have your son live?

Well, I guess I can never shoot another person in dark clothes, with a ski mask, and a weapon, who tries to attack me, because it might be my son!

We also learned that the neighbor was the shooter's sister.

 

[Borachio]

Because I like guns. They're fun to shoot and collect.

Happiness is a warm gun. Yes, I know.

Well, I guess I can never shoot another person in dark clothes, with a ski mask, and a weapon, who tries to attack me, because it might be my son!

And you want to shoot another person because....reasons?

 

[kramerfan86]

Its ok guys crimes are rare percentage wise so you shouldnt be prepared for them. Frankly I think you are a bit of a cowardly wreck if you even bother with locks on the door.

 

[Bugfatty300]

Its ok guys crimes are rare percentage wise so you shouldnt be prepared for them. Frankly I think you are a bit of a cowardly wreck if you even bother with locks on the door.

Sounds good. The sarcasasecurity system.

 

[JohnRM]

Happiness is a warm gun. Yes, I know.



And you want to shoot another person because....reasons?

Dark clothes, ski mask, weapon, 1 am, breaking into my sister's house, tries to attack me? I mean, are you people this frickin' thick or what? Can we hope for a momentary and sudden increase in the crime rate to rid ourselves of all the knuckleheads in the world who wouldn't pick up a weapon in the defense of their community and themselves? Are you all frickin' Amish or what? And if so, why are you on the computer?!

EDIT: Also, we now know there was an attack just days before, in the area.

 

[Borachio]

But I'm not saying: don't be prepared. Just don't rely on a gun for protection. It is not a sensible way to proceed.

As for locks on doors, how many determined thieves are discouraged by locks?

edit: look, your country your lives, live them how you choose. But do you like how things are going? Do you like having to arm yourselves in your own homes? Do you like feeling so insecure that if someone unexpectedly arrives on your front drive your immediate reaction is to fetch your gun?

 

[Leoreth]

This is the very foundation of pacifism.

Only cowardly (or outrageously fearful, whatever you prefer) people feel the need to defend themselves with guns.

I wouldn't conclude pacifism from what I said. There's also something called proportional response.

 

[Borachio]

Nevertheless, you made the point well enough. The proportional response, meaning you use the minimum of violence, will, in the end, lead towards non-violence.

 

[kramerfan86]

mrcooper's response is not the norm, so lets not pretend it is and considering just how low of a percentage accidental neighborhood shootings are clearly your average gun owner isnt stomping out of their house half cocked ready to shoot the unknown person knocking on their neighbor's door. Having a gun is merely being prepared for the rare situation you are forced to use it, more common in rural areas since police enforcement is sometimes fairly thin.

 

[JohnRM]

But this wasn't an accidental shooting! He might not have shot the kid if he knew it was his son, but if it was just some random stranger, they'd be celebrating the man as a hero, right now.

 

[kramerfan86]

Very true in this case, Im still curious to find out more details on this particular case. if the kid DID have a weapon then the fact he was the son really becomes a bit more irrelevant.

 

[JohnRM]

According to the news, the kid did have a weapon and the "neighbor" was in fact the shooter's sister.

 

[kramerfan86]

According to the news, the kid did have a weapon and the "neighbor" was in fact the shooter's sister.

The stories I saw just identified an unknown silver object, I never saw an actual proclamation of what it was.

 

[Borachio]

Having a gun is merely being prepared for the rare situation you are forced to use it, more common in rural areas since police enforcement is sometimes fairly thin.

I have a lot of difficulty envisaging situations where having a gun is likely to be of help.

I can, though, see a lot situations where a gun is going to be a liability.

There is, too, the matter of an arms race between potential attacker and potential victim. To be honest, I'd rather be attacked by someone with a knife than a gun, and someone with his fists alone rather than with a knife.

 

[dutchfire]

Its ok guys crimes are rare percentage wise so you shouldnt be prepared for them. Frankly I think you are a bit of a cowardly wreck if you even bother with locks on the door.

"Even though crime is rare, you should still be prepared. Percentages don't matter."

mrcooper's response is not the norm, so lets not pretend it is and considering just how low of a percentage accidental neighborhood shootings are clearly your average gun owner isnt stomping out of their house half cocked ready to shoot the unknown person knocking on their neighbor's door. Having a gun is merely being prepared for the rare situation you are forced to use it, more common in rural areas since police enforcement is sometimes fairly thin.

"It is very rare, why are we even discussing this. It's all about percentages dude!"

6 points for effort
0 for consistency
Have you considered joining the Romney campaign?

 

[kramerfan86]

Breakins do in fact happen, rarity doesnt change that. Cops rarely are going to get there before you encounter the robber, especially in rural areas. Im not quite sure how you have so much trouble envisioning where it would be beneficial to have one.

 

[kramerfan86]

"It is very rare, why are we even discussing this. It's all about percentages dude!"

6 points for effort
0 for consistency
Have you considered joining the Romney campaign?

You realize it is a fairly normal debate tactic to use the opponents own logic on them to try and convince them to see the point you are making yes? Now if I go off and suddenly say guns are bad and I dont see the point of having them because of percentages, then Im a shoein for mittens.

 

[JohnRM]

Gun opponents...

So, what do you people want victims to do? Call the police while their sister is getting stabbed to death in their own home? This man did what any reasonable person would. What would Mr/Mrs Gun Opponent's reaction be?