Child Protection Chief of the Catholic Church admits to child porn

[aelf]

He does not appear to have abused children himself, there is are ethical differences between abusing children yourself and uploading pictures

In this case, yeah. For example, one is done by a priest and the other is done by a lay person.

 

[Snorrius]

Uploading pictures of real life children is inherently sponsoring such abusive practices.
IMO, that's makes you as guilty as the people who actually do the abuse.

It is not the same, just as uploading pictures where people are being killed is not the same as killing someone yourself. It may worth some small fine probable.

People, is there a difference between pay for sex from a prostitute and forcing them into prostitution yourself?

Most prostitutes are not "forced" - they just want to earn money using what nature gave them. And yes, there is a big difference just as a big difference between buying Chinese stuff and forcing Chinese to work for small pay and in inhuman workplace environment yourself.

 

[Skwink]

Yep, that's why we Lutherans broke away from the Catholics

 

[EnglishCrusader]

I can't say I'm surprised about this.

 

[nonconformist]

That's horrible, he should have gotten help.



People, is there a difference between pay for sex from a prostitute and forcing them into prostitution yourself?

Mate, you're defending paedophilia. I'd think very hard about your priorities.

 

[El_Machinae]

Well, a child abuse investigator has good reason to have and copy child pornography, because it will be his job to seize and investigate suspect computers (etc.). It's not a surprise that a pedophile would get such a job.

He clearly must've broken some law in the process, in a way that is not acceptable and with mens rea. Like I said, I feel sorry for the Church on this one. Even when you're trying to do the right thing, you get burned.

 

[Snorrius]

Mate, you're defending paedophilia. I'd think very hard about your priorities.

It is interesting to compare how using word "paedophilia" is similar to using word "heresy" in Middle Ages. If your opponent is saying something you do not like it is enough to blame him being or defending pedophile.

It is indeed funny how many people may have great trouble to accept obvious thing that masturbating on a pic with child is not the same that abusing said child in reality, or to accept that making consentual sex to a, say, 15yo or 16yo is not actually pedophilia at all (though it may be considered as crime depending on age of consent in your country).

On the subject: do not use your work laptop for illegal things.

 

[Arakhor]

I am more than willing to admit that looking at indecent pictures does not make you want to go out and have sex, unless you were already predisposed to do such, but the fact remains that it is illegal and that his job was to stop people doing that very thing. That is frankly indefensible.

 

[Snorrius]

I am more than willing to admit that looking at indecent pictures does not make you want to go out and have sex, unless you were already predisposed to do such, but the fact remains that it is illegal and that his job was to stop people doing that very thing. That is frankly indefensible.

Here is I fully agree.

I have another thought on this case: policemen who work in antidrug departments often had to deal with drugs, drugdealers etc, so if we are talking about someone who works in antiCP service, here is two question to discuss:

1) I think it is hard to monitor such activity without visiting CP sites and immersing yourself in this subculture to certain degree. Does someone who have to do this have any legal protection against being charged with possession, making etc?

2) Such job may cause professional deformation: immersing yourself into such subculture may cause one to become interested and curious to different degrees up to desire to try it yourself. Is there really such problem and should it be addressed somehow? If there similar problems in, say, police's antidrugs departments?

 

[nonconformist]

There is no "anti-child porn" organisation.

The only people legally protected against accessing child porn are police officers (with a couple of means-rea caveats for accidental access)

 

[civ_king]

Mate, you're defending paedophilia. I'd think very hard about your priorities.

This man was clearly broken from being molested. It's horrible what was done to him and it's horrible he was looking at and distributing child porn.

 

[Arakhor]

I think we'd all agree, Civ-King. Unfortunately, what he did was completely illegal and utterly stupid, particularly if he's carrying illegal images to work, whether he's a teacher or in charge of regulating access to child pornography.

 

[Godwynn]

Where are they going to transfer him to in order to avoid criminal punishment?

 

[Arakhor]

Given that he violated British law, out of the UK and away from any country with an extradition treaty with us.

 

[civ_king]

Where are they going to transfer him to in order to avoid criminal punishment?

Nowhere, he got sacked

 

[JollyRoger]

People, is there a difference between pay for sex from a prostitute and forcing them into prostitution yourself?

Not all prostitutes are forced into it.

 

[Maniacal]

Where are they going to transfer him to in order to avoid criminal punishment?

Given that he violated British law, out of the UK and away from any country with an extradition treaty with us.

If you'd read the article you'd have noticed he wasn't a priest, just a social worker they hired.

 

[NBAfan]

If the victim is brave enough to come forward, he or she is excommunicated from the church permanently (which in some circles also condemns you to Hell), while the rapist is given a slap on the hand and shipped quietly to another parish, preferrably one far away.

"Disgusting" is too mild a word.

They don't excommunicate permanently, just until you repent.

Official, priest, doesn't matter. All a part of the church hierarchy.

If you are not ordained, you are not in the hierarchy.


Is there anything special in this story to know about?

 

[Tani Coyote]

If you are not ordained, you are not in the hierarchy

Nitpicking. Both are under the command of the church.

So, the church is responsible for keeping both in lines.

 

[aelf]

They don't excommunicate permanently, just until you repent.

So until you withdraw your accusations?